Thread:Metal Mario875/@comment-24530269-20170614114813/@comment-26374068-20170616003243

Lots of things that need to be said here. We need to remodel Acausality's page, for one. No Sonic character nor Mario character has it, and if they did, they'd solo the other side so casually, it's not even funny. I found some cool stuff out about Acausality...

First: The definition of acausality as it is on this wiki.

"Acausality is defined as the ability to exist outside of causality, or the natural flow of manipulation defined by cause and effect."

Makes sense, right? Well, does it really make sense to you? A user pointed this out on VSB: The definition is perfect. The problem comes from people not seeming to realize what this logically means. Causality defines just about everything that has happened, is happening, and can happen--the effect. So logically, transcending cause and effect (on your level/dimension or reality) means transcending just about everything on it. Because if the cause is receiving an attack, the effect is being harmed. A "true acausal" who exists outside of causality and the natural flow of cause and effect is essentially invincible seeing as no matter the cause, they will not be affected. The user uses BB as an example. She isn't listed as acausal, but her Potnia Theron and 10 Crowns pretty much illustrates all we need. They make any possible effect on her "not have happened." It cuts off the cause from the effect, making it so that no matter what the enemy does, it will not affect her. Someone who exists outside of causality and the natural flow of cause and effect would have this ability as a passive thing.

This is true acausality: Complete transcendence from cause and effect (on the user's dimensional level). But on this wiki, we have things like resistance/immunity to time paradoxes and resistance to causality manipulation (because there is a difference) being treated as acausality.

Just because someone's present self sticks around after their child self dies, doesn't mean they can survive having their existence being turned into the cause of their non-existence, or ignore cause and effect being reversed so a spear always hits them in the heart. Get it? Resistance to causality manipulation means something along the lines of the latter, while resistance to time paradoxes is along the lines of the former. I'll reinvent the pages down the road, but this definitely needs to be pointed out--Super Dimentio, Count Bleck, Paper Mario, and Time Eater's "Possibly Acausality" all need to be replaced with Time Paradoxal Resistance/Immunity. I'll make that page soon, as well. In this sense, Destruction--as overpowered as it is--has no affect on someone who is acausal on the same level as said destruction, meanwhile, Time Paradoxal Resistance/Immunity can be overwhelmed by destruction.

@Adam: I thought I had explained it to you? Super Dimentio's destruction is far higher than Solaris' due to one thing: "range." Not the same range you're thinking of--as in meters or kilometers--but what it effects. Solaris can erase timelines using destruction. Super Dimentio? Time, space, upper dimensions, all planes of existence, incorporeality, the afterlife, concepts, etc. Everything. Super Dimentio is actually one of the absolute strongest users of this ability. SD obliterates Solaris--invulnerability, duplication, space-time manipulation and equal speed (Infinite VS Infinite) gives Solaris no advantages. And SD's destruction makes matters worse. Because The Void has the same potency of destruction as Super Dimentio, and The Void spreads omnidirectionally, Solaris will be hit regardless of what he does, or where he runs to. And because The Void can be excelled using "L-Power," Solaris has no way of escaping. Truly, there's a reason people stick Paper Mario characters against Archie Sonic characters--PM characters are far too overpowered. And the fact that they have possible Tier 1 statistics is insane. If we exclude Super Dimentio, then Culex is in trouble, yes. While Culex can likely beat Time Eater, he can't beat Solaris. Including Super Dimentio? He solos Solaris, Illumina and Alf-Layla wa Layla by himself, as Culex and Time Eater finish their battle (whoever emerges victorious--likely Culex or a tie), and then rampages the rest of the characters. If speed is equalized, LM King Boo haxstomps the Sonicverse via subatomic obliteration and one-hit-killing-transmutative-sealing-lightning (very versatile lightning, I know). And due to stronger matter manipulation, King Boo would be able to free any characters trapped in cards by Nega's camera.

To retaliate, Bowser and the Power Stars could then begin rapidly sealing Sonic characters for eternity (BFRing them), and then Mario, Luigi and Metal Mario can spam their pyrokinesis and give Sonic characters hyperthermia (I explained those effects to you. Remember those? Possible coma and death? Yeah, the Sonicverse is going to have a rough time). This battle has a lot in both sides' favor. But at their absolute highest peaks? The Marioverse wins. RPG Mario and RPG Luigi can literally defeat Solaris and Illumina (they are a stronger 2-B and have Infinite speed), and with Solaris and Illumina gone, the Sonicverse is pretty much doomed from there. Paper Mario characters at their Tier 1 peaks speedblitz and one-shot all Archie Sonic characters. So yeah--while the entire battle is debatable, this is my take.

You're allowed to have your own opinion on it though.

@ArceusBowser (What should I call you, bro?): Okay, but Peach is still a Star Child. She does scale to other Star Children, despite being the weakest of the seven (she's behind Mario, Luigi, Wario, Bowser, Yoshi and Donkey Kong). And I do honestly believe Starlow is stronger than Peach in terms of magic, because even if a heart appeared, I dunno if that'd immediately mean it was Peach's power doing the most--mainly when, within that very series, Starlow accomplishes many more feats and is, by storyline, powerful. And while Fawful said he needed Peach to break the seal, what he actually meant was Peach's life-force... you see, the actual cutscene features Fawful--all by himself, no Peach nor Midbus anywhere--breaking the electrical seal on the Dark Star. Then, he drew Peach's life energy away and gave it to the Dark Star. For what reason? Because the seal was actually around the Dark Star, keeping it from awakening. The story even illustrates that--the Star Sprites zapped the Dark Star itself, not four pillars around it. So Fawful didn't need Peach's power, but rather, her life. For what reason? Hell if I know. But in no way does that prove Peach to be powerful, it just proves her life-force to be special. And besides--we see three Star Sprites seal the Dark Star. So unless there's only three Star Sprites, then it wasn't all of the Star Sprites.

Also, Peach lifted and threw a weakened Bowser utilizing telekinesis. So it's only impressive for her hax. Still a good feat though--won't lie. She threw him clear across the god-damned kingdom (from her castle to Dimble Wood)!

And what I meant by the Dream Stone is that the magical blast passes right through the barrier--no shattering, nothing. No fight at all. Which is hilariously weird, considering Zeekeeper had to work his ass off to shatter one of the Dream Stone's barriers. Next, they targeted Bowser (evident with Dreambert saying "You must destroy him AND the Dream Stone" and them saying "Sorry" which shows they weren't actually targeting the Dream Stone, but rather, Bowser), so their blast didn't actually destroy the Dream Stone through force (like Antasma did to the Dark Stone, where he targeted it by crushing it). Thus, the best explanation is that their blast resonated the dreams (or universes) within the Dream Stone, causing it to explode due to the tension. Which actually makes sense when you think about it. Sure, it's impressive--resonating entire universes to build enough tension within a multiverse cage, causing it to explode, but it's still not as impressive as Mario & Luigi outright shattering it to bits, or anything associated with Dreamy Bowser. That's backed up with how Starlow and Dreambert got horrifically stomped by Dreamy Bowser (he didn't actually attack them, but they couldn't harm him, and a mere jump from him sent them slamming into the ground), which was after Starlow and Peach shattered the Dream Stone.

And I agree--Toad is far from weak in general, but in terms of his franchise weak? Yeah, he's really weak, lol. Literally one of the weakest in the entire franchise.

And yeah, honestly, Zelda doesn't really touch many characters in this franchise at all. The basic enemies? Yeah. The Shroobs and Cackletta? Sure. But literally anyone else? Nope. XD

I know where you got all of those except one: Mind Manipulation. Where does that come from, if you don't mind me asking? Also, I'm questionable. I think it depends on how you scale Starlow's feats and what version of Peach you use.

The Gentle Pull is described as the yearn to be reunited together with someone you lost. It's played off as "love" and a mere concept, rather than an actual being. Many of its powers are stretched to crazy proportions, and to make its existence even more dubious, the power of love and things like that have been mentioned by Culex and all throughout Super Paper Mario. It wasn't a being then--and it isn't now, either. Don't wanna sound rude--I apologize if I did--by TGP has very little going for it.

Also, the Dream Depot is finite, you even said so yourself. Thus, it can't be 2-A. The highest a finite multiverse without higher dimensions can be is 2-B--lucky for us Mario supporters, there's evidence of higher dimensions in Mario.