User blog comment:ZeroTwo64/User:ZeroTwo64/Madoka is High 2-A ~ "5D Madoka Debunked" Debunked/@comment-30654492-20181129042339/@comment-31835132-20181129204126

I will adress those points one at a time.

1st point.

''>Effecting an infinite number of universes only makes you 4th Dimensional in power. but this doesn't mean you are a 4th Dimensional Being. Madoka when she did this feat was only 3rd Dimension and her ascending beyond that makes her 4-D. If i were a human who could destroy a Space-Time Continuum, that doesn't mean i am suddenly 4th Dimensional, i'm still a 3rd Dimensional Being who happens to have 4-D Power. According to VBW, Goku can defeat Zamasu, who was one with Space and Time, but does that make him 4th Dimensional. No, he can just only effect dimensions beyond 3''

First of all, a character can be High 2-A even if it isn't a 5D being. This is the explanation of the High 2-A tier:

''Characters who are 5-dimensional, and/or can destroy and/or create 5-dimensional space-time constructs of a not insignificant size. Characters who can destroy and/or create an uncountably infinite numbers of universes may potentially also be assigned this tier, as their geometrical 5-D size can be higher than 0. ''

Even if Madoka was 3-D, she was 2-A before ascending to a higher plane; "Higher plane of existence" than infinite multiverses is High 2-A (even a higher plane of existence than Low 2-C is High 2-A because Low 2-C is the starting power of a 4D power, and a higher plane than 4D is 5D [I explained this thing in the introduction]; this is the proof that Madoka is High 2-A. Now, Goku wasn't even able to defeat Zamasu...Zen'ō did it. Even if you use Ultra Instinct Goku and he is stronger than Zamasu, there aren't proofs that he can defeat him and bypass his Non-Corporeal and Intangibility. This is the explanation of Madoka's High 2-A tier. I'll explain 5D Madoka in the second point.

2nd point.

''>That's an Assiocation Fallacy. Madoka being stated to be "Beyond The Stars" is likely another way of saying she's beyond The Universe and not that she is beyond 4th Dimensional Space. Not only is this backed up by The Manga itself (Which states she is beyond The Universe, thus being "beyond the stars"). Existing beyond Space and Time on it's own isn't 5th Dimensional, unless Madoka was stated to be beyond The Multiverse then she'd be 5-D due to Madoka Magica's Multiverse being Infinite''

First of all, that isn't an Association Fallacy. This is the explanation of said Fallacy:

This is when someone claims that since A has certain qualities, and B is in some way associated with A, then B has those qualities as well, without actual proof of this.

Example: "Many Naruto ninjas use genjutsu. Therefore Gai knows genjutsu as well."

While this could be possible, there is no confirmation, and merely because other ninjas know it doesn't mean he does.

Well, I just used astrology and philosophy to explain what "Beyond the stars" means; however, I didn't use just that to explain Madoka's tier. If a character was stated to be beyond the stars, it is Low 2-C by default. However, the Famitsu magazine also states that Madoka is beyond past, present and future. ONLY if we use both statements we can find Madoka's tier, not using one of the two statements at a time. Those two statements mean that Madoka is beyond space and time, which is High 2-A by default. In the 3rd point of the blog I explained why Madoka is not only High 2-A, but also 5D; this is the explanation of five dimensional space: ''A five-dimensional space is one more than the usual three spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension of time used in relativitistic physics. ''It is beyond the 3 spatial dimension (in this case the "Beyond the stars" statement) and beyond the fourth dimension of time (in this case the "Beyond the past, present and future" statement).