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So today I just wanted to comment on the sheer power and speed of Heroes characters, as a few.... people, "Debunk" the feats by saying it's all out of context and outliers.

So let's begin. This blog will talk about the following:

Statements Feats of Destructive Capacity Feats of Speed Cosmology of the verse.

So let's start of with Cosmology of the verse:

So first we should know that Heroes is actually a direct continuation of Xenoverse. This is because Demigra's death from Xenoverse is mentioned in Heroes. DBH also encompasses most, if not all other game franchises. Surprisingly, it also encompasses One Piece, Neko Majin and not surprisingly Doctor Slump. What's more intriguing, is that it is hinted the chrono trigger verse [Which Tori-Bot is the supreme being off] is also a small part of Dragon Ball Heroes as it appeared in Dr.Slump. This would mean that statements and lore can be taken from those games and applied to Heroes. Proof:

Dragon Ball 4D with God Broly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhjd1i6Zuk0

Dragon Ball Minus and other stuff

https://youtu.be/vl-TA84ijHg?t=83

https://imgur.com/a/Xi3O1

Dragon Ball Z Extreme Butoden (DBHUM2 is referring to SSJ4 Broly crossing from DBH to DBZEB)

https://imgur.com/a/ZYA6x

Dragon Ball Fusions

https://imgur.com/a/PpK21

Kuriza in DBH

https://imgur.com/a/k7Lqm

Neko Majin Z

https://youtu.be/8AqumRLIUdk?t=409

Dokkan in Xenoverse in Heroes

https://imgur.com/a/iDEfv

DBS Manga and Yamcha reincarnation spin off in DBH

https://imgur.com/a/FbHyp

DB Fighter Z part of Xenoverse which is part of heroes and Dokkan

https://imgur.com/a/QXPel

Limit Break x Survivor singer (one who sings the DBS theme)

https://imgur.com/a/yoRgG

Shin Budokai implied part of it (Babidi Buu is directly taken from Shin Budokai)

https://imgur.com/a/fZPzY

Chrono Trigger (It has appeared in Dr.Slump, which is in the DBH Multiverse)

So as you can see the Heroes multiverse is already massive. Now, what can we gain from knowing the games are connected. Well in Xenoverse:

https://imgur.com/a/Q6w5g

It is directly stated that History can take up an infinite number of paths or possibilities and you lose track of which the correct version is supposed to be Now, history actually refers to timelines.

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/DqCgfUtHyC7

In fact, in Xenoverse, 16 implies that the possibilities already exist, by saying that the history they are in is 1 possibility, and the others have timelines:

https://imgur.com/a/pUqnM

https://imgur.com/a/0OaB3

As you can see here, even the next pack is called "Infinite history pack" which also in fact goes back to the time pattrolers statement of history being infinite.

https://imgur.com/a/Q6w5g

Now some people from a particular site try to say the possibilities don't exist even if 16 confirmed they do [Lmao]. However, in Heroes, Chronoa says the possibilities are overflowing

https://imgur.com/J9flgps

In Shin Budokai, Cell states that there are endless worlds which means timelines. The "Debunk" for this being that Cell doesn't know what he is talking about. However, Cell is created for the soul purpose of being the perfect being. He is incredibly smart, and has done time travel. In Shin Budokai, his purpose is to destroy parallel worlds. Why would he be so confident if he didn't know much there are? The producers of the game wouldn't have made him say it if it wasn't true. And "He isnt' an authority figure" is as much as a debunk off "Oh. Cell only stated he can destroy the Solar System, doesn't mean he can"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DragonBallOnline

In Dragon Ball online, there are "Semmingly Infinite timelines" so.... yeah.

https://imgur.com/a/0FNKN

In fact, even in the DBZ manga, there is an implication of infinite timelines by Trunks. This also seems very similar to the statement by the pattroler in Xenoverse. What's funny is that some people... accept this as likely infinite timelines but it has been "Retconed" in Super, which it hasn't. In fact, it's proven when Beerus kills Zamasu.

Now we can go beyond the infinite timelines into higher dimensions such as the Crack of time and the "Real world"

https://imgur.com/a/GheOg

The Crack of Time is stated to be an enclosed space separate from the dimension of time.

https://imgur.com/a/Y7vLv

This scan states that the place that he was, was "Beyond time and space" meaning that the Crack of time is a space/dimension that is beyond time and space of the regular 4th dimensional multiverse, so 5-D.

https://imgur.com/a/o7FLt

The Time pattroler is stated to be an extradimensional being. Which means he comes from a dimension beyond our own (We live in 3 spatial and 1 temporal) [Sound familiar?]. And before anyone says "He is just from another universe and not actually a higher dimensional being"

First off, the definition for another Universe beyond our own is Extra*Terrestrial*. Not Extradimensional which is dimension beyond our own.

https://imgur.com/a/S6MRu

16 already had a statement saying he is extraterrestrial and couldn't find him in the data base, then went on to say he is possibly extradimensional. So he is in fact 5-D, like the Crack of Time.

Now we can go even beyond the Crack of Time and enter the "Real world"

https://imgur.com/a/xrNRr

The "Real world" is a different dimension/world (Multiverse)

https://imgur.com/gallery/znxtw

A dimension that views DBH as fiction

So, now that we have gotten familiar with the cosmology of the verse. Let's talk about Power:

Multi-Universal:

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/Demp6F9Uppn

Chrono can merge timelines and destroy them. This is a Multi-Universal feat. Demigra when he was young, could compete with her. So he'd also be Multi-Universal

https://imgur.com/nfWAbSL https://imgur.com/rWIRlhF

Bardock and Mira fighting made a point in history disappear even though they fought outside of time-space

Multiversal+

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/idfZHzJ5SFK

Toki-Toki is the embodiment of time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0xg1zMwRfs

Time is infinite, so after absorbing him, Demigra has gained Infinite power. This would then make him Multiversal+

https://imgur.com/0cZ2Dpe

Demigra rules all of time and space. Again, Multiversal+

https://youtu.be/iz5OjhuYjr4?t=25

Demigra then proves he is indeed Multiversal+ by destroying everything. After destroying it, he said he was going to create his own history. He has both creation and destruction feats and statements that are Multiversal+

https://imgur.com/y3x6giA https://imgur.com/DJdaumG https://imgur.com/XwZvtWY

Beerus can destroy the entire dimension of time, all of history, everything

http://imgur.com/mw6WwOP

http://imgur.com/HQndtfE

http://i.imgur.com/7LxXCWp.png

http://i.imgur.com/ISqwcQ6.png

http://i.imgur.com/lGbUFVC.png

Chronoa stated that Demigra warped time, was going to destroy all of history, everything and could have created his own "world" (Multiverse) where he was God

High Multiversal+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC58Yj4oCg8&feature=youtu.be&t=979

The FW and Demigra fighting was collapsing the Crack of Time, which as proven above is a higher dimensional plane. This is a High Multiversal+ feat.

https://imgur.com/7x2UuOz

Demigra's magic transcends human knowledge

https://imgur.com/a/Y7vLv

Once again, the FW IS an extradimensional being. So he is High Multiversal+ regardless, and Demigra is comparable. Goku is also comparable if not stronger than the FW.

https://youtu.be/Mvv-IhUJPlo?t=274

Mira was going to break through dimensions, break through Toki-Toki's egg [Which remember, holds power to make you rule the infinite time-space], destroy the multiverse and Crack of Time. Towa, who can freely exist the multiverse, go to different timelines instantly etc. said there would be no where to run. Meaning everything, including the CoT was going to be destroyed. This was before Mira absorbed the egg and Towa btw

So, for xenoverse, The Future Warrior, Demigra, Goku, the Gods of Destruction, Angels, and Zeno are High Multiversal+

High Multiversal+

Or

Low Complex Multiversal (If you accept the CoT being a higher dimension. Which it is but whatever)

https://imgur.com/gallery/CTC2f

https://imgur.com/a/lTx9p

Now, in Dragon Ball Heroes Demigra Transcended space in the DBH multiverse, and the Crack of Time. This makes Demigra Low Complex Multiversal for transcending an infinite 4th dimensional multiverse, and the higher dimensional Crack of Time. They transcended to the "Real world", which as shown above is an alternate dimension that views the DBH Multiverse as fiction. So in summary: An alternate dimension, that was reached by transcending the space of another multiverse, is higher dimensional. By the way, Demigra did this in his BASE form.

https://imgur.com/a/x6pJg

https://imgur.com/a/iq5oJ

Chamel gained power from Demigra, and with his presence alone, was going to collapse the multiverse, the crack of time AND the "Real world", once again a Low Complex Multiversa*l feat.

https://imgur.com/a/olzdU

Goku also *transcended the entire DBH Multiverse and the Crack of Time and reached the "Real world". So the feat is consistent.

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/co7m7Hg5Nd3

Goku could go toe to toe with Demigra in Demigra while in base, and only needed SSJ to defeat him.

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/5CcBPpLnzCT

He then one shots an enemy stronger than Demigra as a SSJ3, which the other time patrol members couldn't do. So yeah, he's a lot stronger than characters that can collapse the multiverse and beond in base form.

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/Mhi6vYSGYru

The reason the Multiverse didn't collapse, was because Chronoa, the Supreme Kai of Time, was holding both worlds together, stopping both from collapsing. So that makes her also Low Complex Multiversal

All in all, the characters are extremely broken and have Low Complex Multiversal feats that are in fact consistent.

Now, we talk about speed. Now, since they are above 5-D they would automatically get Immeasurable speed. But let's see the feats anyway:

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/eiqwVb6Ch49

There is Towa [Who originally was going to collapse the Multiverse and the "Real world" before she died in fact], Mira, Trunks and Chronoa who physically exist beyond time and space

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/JvA9zit1boM

Chronoa, Vegeta and Trunks can move in a dimension beyond time and space

https://imgur.com/GA9ntLd

The Dokkan Avatar transcends time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzpIcG9-srE

The mentors such as Vegeta can physically fly to another timeline to help you

https://imgur.com/a/r5dEe

https://imgur.com/a/IFvoq

Mira exists beyond the natural flow of time and this scales to stronger characters. He also transcends time which also scales to other characters.

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/bs37qkoJcKg

Kid Buu and Goku fight at the speed of instant

Characters such as Goku are already immeasurable in speed via transcending the multiverse.

So all in all, even the mid to high tiers are Low Complex Multiversal with Immeasurable speed in Heroes. Even if you don't want to accept the Crack of Time being a higher dimensional plane because "It's to vague" then the characters are still higher dimensional at High Multiversal via Demigra transcending space in the entire DBH multiverse and reaching another world (Which in Dragonball refers to the entire multiverse)

Arceus. Thanks for having the thread closed and therefore conceeding on arguments revolving around the Crack of Time being a 5th dimensional space. You didn't have any debunk on that after I gave scans and arguments :)

None of my DBH profiles are at 5-D. They're all at 6-D My 5-D characters are in XENOVERSE.

Furthermore, they are not 5-D because they simply existed in the Crack of time (Thanks for ignoring my comment on that. Guess you conceed to the fact the crack of time is a 5th dimensional space :).

My XENOVERSE characters are 5-D because they COLLAPSED the crack of time, not for existing in it. Read my profiles properly.

Demigra's Xenoverse key: (In his fight with the Future Warrior, he was collapsing the Crack of time, a dimension beyond the multiverse and it's space-time)

Future Warrior: (Defeated Mira who was going to break through dimensions and destroy the entire multiverse. Towa, who can freely move throughout the infinite multiverse and outside of time said she'd have no where to run from the resulting explosion, implying it would destroy the Crack of Time as well)

Fu: Should be stronger than his father, Mira, who was going to destroy the entire multiverse, and a dimension beyond the multiverse's space-time

On top of that, you are ignoring the wikia's tiering system, while I am following it despite the fact that I disagree with it.

TL;DR, simply existing in a higher-dimensional space does not classify a character as higher-dimensional in any way whatsoever