Thread:Metal Mario875/@comment-24530269-20170614114813/@comment-30300307-20170615145231

Knuckles is also comparable to Sonic which is why I rated him 5-B. Bowser scales to Mario as well regardless.

I never said that Base Sonic beats Base Mario because High 4-C > 5-B

I also took your statements into consideration and downgraded some Sonic characters according to who they fought and when.

There is also Solaris, Illumina, Egg Salamander, Time Eater,  Alf Layla wa-Layla, Dark Queen,  Eggman Nega's camera  which can turn anything into cards especially 2-B  (because it turned the Master Emerald into a card).

Mario Verse vs Game Sonic Verse

In a random encounter where Mario and Sonic characters don't get their powerups, items, preparation time, etc:

Sonic Verse wins because Solaris alone solos via Infinite speed and being Omnipresent only in time not space aka Nigh Omnipresence.

Prep time:

Mario Verse would most likely win because of Super Dimentio, Paper Mario (Pure Hearts), Count Bleck, Dreamy Bowser, Antasma (Dark Stone) and Zeekeeper though they'll have difficulty. The one thing that'll save them from being truly defeated is the Pure Hearts and Chaos Hearts having Acausality as one of those abilities.

Surely, Solaris fights Super Dimentio and they counter each other's Destruction and Void Manipulation while Time Eater and Culex fight each other,  Alf Layla wa-Layla speedblitz King Boo (Luigi's Mansion) with it's Infinite speed and Eggman Nega in the Egg Salamander with Doctor Eggman uses his camera to take pictures of all the Mario characters but due to the Paper Mario characters being Acausal due to the Pure Hearts and Chaos Heart that battle will be Inconclusive.

The only way I can see the Mario characters having a fair chance agains the Sonic characters is to equalize speed for both sides.

Also to be fair I am not using Archie Sonic Characters because 2-A Archie Solaris alone solos by instantly consuming all of the Mario games timelines instantly thus destroying all Mario characters and canceling out their Acausality by destroying Infinite timelines in which they survive via that ability. Remember even if Archie Solaris took time to destroy Infinite Universes, half of Infinite is still Infinite.

But it's my opinion so don't take this the wrong way.

And don't even think about bringing in "The Gentle Pull" because Metal Mario875 debunked it recently in one of his blogs and it hasn't been proven to be an official Nintendo character and it's just a concept.