User blog comment:Metal Mario875/Bill Cipher IS High 1-C ~ "Higher Dimensional Bill Debunked" Debunked/@comment-33162239-20180112143330

The VSBattles wiki is on a Bill downplay spree.

Bill loses to enerjack (Both 2-A): Agree

Bill loses to Monika (Both Low 2-C): Should have been inclusive

Bill loses to Homura (Both 2-A): Dunno Homu.

Bill loses to Asriel (Both 2-A): The reasoning is Asriel could Save + Load, which, after watching the Asriel fight Several times, Asriel has shown no capabilities of Save + Load. He could Reset if he beat frisk, but not save + load.

Bill loses to Anti-Spiral (Both Low 2-C): Agree.

Bill loses to Dawnbringer Riven (Both Low 2-C): No. '''Just No. '''Look, I love League of Legends, but Dawnbringer Riven isn't Low 2-C. She is far inferior to Aurelion sol, who is 3-B. I don't know her level (4-B would be being nice to her), but their reasoning was "Bill can't bypass Mid-Godly Regen and Riven fought the Manifestation of evil and chaos"

1. Mid-Godly Regen? She has shown no Mid-Godly regen in her lore. She has High regen, not mid godly

2. She did fight the manifestation of evil and chaos, Demon Blade (Also Edge Lord) Yasuo. 'And lost. And lost hard.'

Also their are a ton of threads of bill on the brink of losing, because "hurr durr plot manipulation mid-godly regen and plot manipulation, and we are completely forgetting bill's weakness, so it can't be inclusive."