Talk:Zen’ō (Canon)/PikabluTwo/@comment-35256776-20180408012420/@comment-35245484-20180415192910

>"Time is seen as a physical plane that you walk on when you're 4D. Therefore you're above linear time. A 4D being(a true one at least) would not see time as linear in the slightest."

It's a plane of movement and an axis. Existing on the axis =/= Being superior to it. By this logic, I could say busting a normal size planet makes you beyond planet level even though that is your level of strength. Time itself isn't truly the 4th dimension, but linear time on the scale we are discussing is. 5D time includes branching out to make parallel timelines. You can't transcend something if you fucking exist on the level. This is disregarding logic. Not even a 2-A truly transcends linear time because at best, all they can is still affect infinite timelines at best and nothing more (based off the cosmological structure of 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension of course).

>"You are not bounded by time at all if you're 4D. Unless the verse has a higher time dimension. Things such as time stop, time manipulation, and time rewind would have no visible affect on you."

Being on a higher dimensional plane =/= automatic resistance to hax. This is like arguing Matter Manipulation doesn't affect 4Ds. It's flawed as fuck logic and abuses Dimensional make-up like you are doing now. You can't gauge time hax by a dimensional scale. It's incredibly dumb logic. What's next? Plot Manipulation is limited to a dimensional scale? Please listen to yourself. Time exists in every dimension even infinite dimensional planes of existence as there aren't numerous temporal dimensions unlike space dimensions. Your logic is still flawed.

>"Your logic fails to understand that Vados statement was exaggerating what Jiren did. Jiren struggled to move in the time stop at first then broke out of it. That's literally resistance. To aruge I haven't "debunked your point" is pure argument from ignorance on your part."

"Exaggerating"

Burden of Proof unless you can elaborate on more context. Such baseless statements based on flawed and fallacious logic don't debunk anything. It is you who is ignorant if anything. And no, Zamasu literally became infinite space-time itself AND the timeline. Jiren is outright confirmed to be stronger than every other character the DB cast has ever faced. That includes the sentient timeline himself. So no. You again have ignored things in an attempt to downplay DB. Please look at my profile justifications to understand why you are wrong and respectfully concede afterwards because I do not have time for such nonsense.

Have a good day!