Thread:CSaPForumWall/@comment-26374068-20180722031053

The Change
So, let's see here...the Speed page needs a bit of a revision based on what I've recently learned about Infinite and Immeasurable speeds.

In order to be Infinite, you can move any finite distance in zero time, move any infinite distance in zero time, or move any infinite distance in finite time. The weakest variant is the last one. The strongest is the second, and the middle-ground is the first. You also get it automatically by being a 4-dimensional being.

In order to be Immeasurable, you can move all throughout time or space with sheer speed. For the first one, the speed formula = distance divided by time. Time is zero, so whenever you divide it, you get infinity. Or if you divide infinity by a finite number, you still get infinity. For this, T becomes undefined, which makes it above even infinity. 5-dimensional beings and above should get this automatically, as well.

To summarize...
 * Infinite: Move all throughout space in zero time. 4-dimensional beings. Time is also linear to characters with this speed.
 * Immeasurable: Move all throughout space and time with no restrictions to either. 5-dimensional beings and above. Time is non linear to characters with this speed.

In order to get a viable Immeasurable speed feat, you generally need statements of seeing time nonlinearly, or going across all of time and space via sheer speed alone, and not using time travel or teleportation or...whatever. A prime example would be The Flash doing this: "This four-dimensional track the gamblers designed for us weaves in and out of space-time so erratically it's impossible to be certain. One minute I'm shielding my eyes from the lights of the Big Bang and the next I'm squeezing through a pinprick as the universe implodes into nothing." Basically, what I'm getting at is that our Speed page is a little outdated.

How I argued it was before is a bit...wrong. Yes, being 5-dimensional makes you Immeasurable, but having 5-dimensional power does not. Dimensionality =/= dimensional power.

Furthermore, the requirements to reach said speeds aren't specified in clean manners, and even if you're not 5-D, it is possible to get Immeasurable...just a lot harder to, since the way you get it can often be similar to time travel. So, statements are usually required; so that way we can know if this person sees time nonlinearly or whatever.

Without statements, it's usually just time travel, portal creation or teleportation.

Also, Infinite speed is outdated too. As I said, being a 4-dimensional being should give you automatic Infinite speed as well. It's because once you're 4-D, you're in the same dimension as time itself. It doesn't have laws above you anymore; you're equal with time. You see it linearly, though.

For Immeasurable, time is nonlinear.

TL;DR
You're allowed to reach Immeasurable while being lower dimensional now. Being a 5-D being makes you Immeasurable automatically, just as being 4-D gives you Infinite automatically. However, simply being that tier doesn't; you have to have the dimensionality, and not that dimensional power.

To be Infinite, you can travel all throughout space in zero time.

To be Immeasurable, you can travel all throughout space and time with no limitation via sheer speed; no use of abilities allowed. 