User blog comment:Paleomario66/Mario's Higher-End feats: Outliers or not?/@comment-33067344-20180809224134/@comment-30294856-20180810034755

Scaling to Bowser's Amped forms
>"I'm afraid this is not an argument. You're once again scaling to Bowser's forms, not proving why scaling is moot. Look at consistency; Mario sometimes has to use amps to harm Bowser, scaling base Mario to an amped Bowser is by no means concrete. Oh, and that one guy from SuperStar Saga didn't stomp Bowser; they just captured him while Bowser was damaged. Look at consistency here."

Actually, this is an argument. I'm showing all of the various times that Mario fought amped forms of Bowser to show that Mario has consistently fought them, and not just base Bowser.

Saying Mario doesn't scale to Bowser's amped forms because he sometimes needs amps to beat base Bowser is like bringing up the time where Sonic had to go into his Super Form to defeat base Metal Sonic and a regular mech that Eggman uses and saying that Sonic shouldn't scale to them in base because he once had to be amped to defeat them.

As for Superstar Saga, Bowser was weaker than Cackletta in that game, so it is correct. In the same game, multiple bosses are fought after Bowser, even after you fight Bowser multiple times and he gets stronger after every battle.

Shrowser, Bowletta, and Black Bowser
>"btw, black bowser, shrowser and bowletta are not amped forms"

Actually, they are amped forms of Bowser. Shrowser is Princess Shroob + Bowser, and Princess Shroob is more powerful than Bowser in that game. And Bowletta is Bowser + Cackletta which Cackletta is more powerful than Bowser in that game.

Black Bowser is definitely an amped form, too, unless Bowser is normally so powerful that a Mario who has like mid-game amounts of training is severely damaged by just dipping his foot in the stuff Bowser is made out of like he did with his first encounter with the Black Paint. The reason Mario still scales to Black Bowser is that Mario trained and became stronger to the point where he could take Black Bowser's attacks and damage him.

Dream Depot
>"Not correct. Bowser needed amps to reach lower levels; how's a Multiversal feat—which massively dwarfs feats he does with amps—not an outlier?"

This is a higher end of 2-B than the Dreamy Bowser feat, but there are other 2-B feats involving the Dream Depot:
 * Mario defeating Dimentio who matched and surpassed that Void
 * Mario defeating Black Bowser
 * Mario defeating Bowser w/the Star Rod who overpowered the Star Spirits

Because of this, I don't see the Dream Depot feat being an outlier by any means. My main argument here was that Mario should have multiple keys based on the different types of games by showing that there are consistent Tier 2 feats as well as Tier 4 ones.

Underworld
>"Okay, firstly; providing a valid example of an underworld being infinite would be appreciated greatly. Secondly, it is Bowser's own' underworld—not the actual Underworld. Therefore, this statement should be left as an hyperbole."

How isn't the actual underworld? Bowser is even regarded as the Demon King. Just look up "Demon King Koopa" on Google and you'll get some good results. The Demon King is the King of Hell in Shinto mythology. As for it being infinite-sized, the underworld in God of War is a good example.

Multipliers
>"Normal multiplications cannot be applied to something beyond infinity, i'm afraid. Like, there's nothing to multiply there; infinity*infinity is still Infinity by 3rd dimensional standards."

That's like saying multiplication doesn't work for three-dimensional tiers because it is considered beyond infinite by two-dimensional standards. 4-D is infinite from a 3-D perspective, but it is also finite from a four-dimensional perspective, which is the perspective we're using here.

I still stand by the Tier 2 feats and for scaling Mario to all of Bowser's amped forms.