User blog comment:Doge and pupper/11-12D Dimentio debunk/@comment-26374068-20180515022104/@comment-32986854-20180515195801

"1. You found what you were looking for, which is nice. But it literally can't be a mistranslation... as a matter of fact, you saying it could be makes me think you don't have sufficient understanding of mistranslations and what makes them mistranslations. What makes a mistranslation a mistranslation is when the original source material of a foreign language states one thing, which the adapted version butchers. The original Japanese version using jigen literally can't be a mistranslation due to the fact that it is the original source material. The English version mentioning dimensions thus is solidified and not a mistranslation due to the fact that it's consistent with the original source material. And just to ensure that you know jigen is mathematical dimensions, the Japanese dictionary says so, which has thousands of native Japanese speakers helping design the website." >Metal, the first problem here is what the japanese version of dimensions states is irrelevant as the term for dimensions will never mean "parallel universes" irl. Parallel universes meaning dimensions came from fiction, not from real life. Honestly, the idea of "dimensions = universes" is a misconception from fiction itself. http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Dimension "The official scientific definition of a Dimension is an axis of movement, such as height, length, and width." 'Now what does "Sunpou" mean? http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/sunpou Dimension, measurement, size. It follows the basic idea of what dimensions are.'

'What does "Jigen" mean? http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/jigen' {| ! !Japanese !English
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construction of character

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dimension

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merciful eye

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period or division of time
If anything, Jigen seems like the less likely term then Sunpou. Regardless, it referring to dimensions in anyway in japanese text means nothing as you would need to outright prove it's referring to spatial dimensions. When the word "dimension" is used in english outside of fiction it's never meant for something like "parallel universe".
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"2. This point is... ohhhhhh boy... Alrighty, so here's the thing. Tell me something: if there was nothing there, you would say the Marioverse doesn't run on String Theory because the strings aren't there to support it... would you not? Unless the game designers portray details that they intend for the player to see, then it will never be proven. In the end, unless they break the rules a little bit, they'll never be able to demonstrate things they previously wanted to be known. People can't seem to accept statements or descriptions, so a showing of String Theory in the works would prove it. This is honestly rather contradictory; right now, you're saying if it's shown, it's fake, and if it's not shown, it's not there. So, what are you going to accept? Those strings match the description of String Theory practically perfectly. Newer String Theories mention closed strings (said strings are closed), they mention them weaved in space (which these are), and they mention them as small (which these are; just not microscopic and impossible to see)." >This stems arguing your subjective premise should be the accepted view rather then objectivity. String Theory soup is a name Metal, not the actual concept of string theory. This is following the same logic of "because this character said hilbert space, this verse is automatically infinite dimensional". Trying to argue because Super Paper Mario verse shows a background with orange colors and purple colors and it slightly resembles strings meaning string theory is a hasty generalization. If it was truly trying to prove string theory in the verse, they would use the actual model of string theory. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Calabi_yau_formatted.svg/440px-Calabi_yau_formatted.svg.png

Also, since we're taking names literally, Universal Steven Universe

Universal Android Saga Vegeta via "Big Bang" attack

Universal Base Finn cause he says "I'm gonna ruin your universe"

etc.

"3. What I'm trying to say is that the whole premise of the first level is to reference mathematical dimensions. It's called LINEland because of 1-dimensional lines. It uses those lines to create a plane... and then you flip that plane to create a landscape. The fact that there's mathematical equations in the sky in a world with tons of homages to mathematical dimensions further amplifies its connection to such things. What those equations are made of honestly don't matter." >This is circular reasoning. By this logic, Magic Man referring to looking across "all dimensions" for his sister is him referring to spatial dimensions cause Adventure Time has shown 1-4 spatial-temporal dimensions. Showing some hints of actual dimensions does not mean all terms of dimensions is spatial metal, or else we should take '''every single comic book "dimensions" statement seriously, despite some of them quite clearly being parallel unvierses. Prove that 11 dimensions exist, not the 1D dimension, or else almost all verses unironically have the word "dimension" mean dimension since time and space exist by default.'''

"4. So, the argument that Paper Mario is a separate canon? I've already dealt with this belief in a blog of my own. Thus, the Wario games (a.k.a. the Main Mario universe) are connected to the Paper Mario ones (the Paper Mario world; the two of them are actually the same universe). And I've countered the idea of Flavor Text before." >I'll touch on that probably at a later time. Regardless, even referring with the same canon, this feat is still 2-B at most.

"As it says here, Flavor Text is in effect when it digresses past what the actual item does. The Flavor Text is the "fluff" (or sparkly writing) to the "crunch" (the truth within the statement). It is also Flavor Text if it contains quotes, narratives, poems, sayings, or jokes.

"Now, let's pan through String Theory Soup.

"All the secrets of the universe are contained within this soup. Drink not, lest you learn more than man was ever meant to know."

Okay. No quotes, poetry, sayings, jokes, narratives... just the narrator literally telling us what this thing's about." >...What? Tell me Metal where he's saying it's actual string theory. This is another hasty generilization.

"Now, is there any text in here that goes beyond what it actually does? No. It's never used, so we have no right to assume what's never shown, and considering the narrator's reliability and such, it's clear that this contains no Flavor Text." >We have every right to assume, however, that it's not saying string theroy exists in the verse. The quote itself merely states you'll learn the secrets of the universe, which is very broad.

"Reading a little bit on to learn more about what something actually is works wonders, my friend. And it's not a gag item since there's no traces of humor within the description. We can't just call something a gag without it demonstrating gag-worthy traits.

And what would warrant Dimentio destroying the higher dimensions? Actual quotes from the game."

"And in the end, it will swallow  all existence .  All worlds, all dimensions ..."

All is a strong word; anything that exists will be erased. Period. Even if Paper Mario was a separate canon after all, this fact would not change as Paper Jam would still prove they're within the same multiverse." >Can you give me any proof where your butterfly companion is aware of the main Mario multiverse? If not, then all the butterfly is thinking of the worlds they know of. Finally, the argument of "all is a strong word". All is a hyperbolic word, not a strong one. "All the power in the universe" is an example of that.