Thread:CSaPForumWall/@comment-32617116-20180911002828/@comment-30294856-20180911224015

I agree with a lot of Sebas' reasoning, except for Goku being baseline Low 2-C. Goku as Super Saiyan Blue should be way above his first and even second usages of Ultra Instinct. Jiren even while suppressed was stated to be above anyone the Z-Fighters faced, including Infinite Zamasu. The initial UI Goku was able to hold his own against suppressed Jiren and even land a blow on him.

However, the second UI Goku is far stronger than the first one. Kale in her berserk form overpowered Super Saiyan Blue Goku and worried Toppo with her power, causing Jiren to take action and defeat her, whereas after attaining Ultra Instinct for the first time and losing it, Goku as his Super Saiyan 2 form was able to do somewhat well against SS2 Caulifla and an even stronger Kale, and as a Super Saiyan God he was in a completely different class compared to Kale and Caulifla. Super Saiyan Blue Goku was able to fight evenly with Super Saiyan Kefla, whose power rivaled that of Goku's Spirit Bomb that caused him to go Ultra Instinct the first time. When Kefla turned Super Saiyan 2, her power surpassed that of Goku's first usage of Ultra Instinct, but Goku still managed to overwhelm her, only struggling because he couldn't attack that well due to him not mastering the ability to attack instinctively.

Following the second usage of Ultra Instinct, Goku became even stronger and managed to fight somewhat competently with Jiren, who at that point was stronger than anyone else in the Tournament (including SS2 Kefla) and was starting to show a hint of his true power.

This isn't even counting the fact that Goku after attaining Mastered Ultra Instinct (and losing it) broke through his limits to such a degree that base Goku was able to fight with a weakened Jiren, who was remarked to be a tough opponent by Android 17, who had already been able to take blows from near-full power Jiren meant for Super Saiyan Blue Evolution Vegeta and Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x20 Goku and still get up.

Even if you don't count base Goku fighting evenly with a weakened Jiren, Super Saiyan Blue Goku should at least be somewhat comparable to Jiren when he was showing a hint of his true power, putting him far above his first and second Ultra Instinct usages, and SS2 Kefla at her peak. What I'm saying is that Super Saiyan Blue Goku by the end of the Tournament of Power is far above baseline Low 2-C.

Overall:

Near-Full Power Jiren >>>>>> Base Goku (end of Tournament of Power) >> Android 17 == SSBE Vegeta >>> SSB KKx20 Goku (near end of Tournament of Power) >=< Jiren showing hint of true power >>>> SSB Goku (near end of Tournament of Power) >>>> SS2 Kefla (releasing all of her energy) >>>>>>>> Second UI Goku >>>> Suppressed Jiren (against the first UI Goku) >>>> First UI Goku >>> Spirit Bomb >=< Heavily Suppressed Jiren >>>>>>>> Infinite Zamasu