User blog comment:ZeroTwo64/User:ZeroTwo64/Madoka is High 2-A ~ "5D Madoka Debunked" Debunked/@comment-30654492-20181129042339/@comment-30654492-20181130163233

'''”First of all, a character can be High 2-A even if it isn't a 5D being. This is the explanation of the High 2-A tier:Characters who are 5-dimensional, and/or can destroy and/or create 5-dimensional space-time constructs of a not insignificant size. Characters who can destroy and/or create an uncountably infinite numbers of universes may potentially also be assigned this tier, as their geometrical 5-D size can be higher than 0. Even if Madoka had been 3-D, she would have been 2-A before ascending to a higher plane; "Higher plane of existence" than infinite multiverses is High 2-A (even a higher plane of existence than Low 2-C is High 2-A because Low 2-C is the starting power of a 4D power, and a higher plane than 4D is 5D [I explained this thing in the introduction]; this is the proof that Madoka is High 2-A. Now, Goku wasn't even able to defeat Zamasu...Zen'ō did it. Even if you use Ultra Instinct Goku and he is stronger than Zamasu, there aren't proofs that he can defeat him and bypass his Non-Corporeal and Intangibility. This is the explanation of Madoka's High 2-A tier. I'll explain 5D Madoka in the second point.”'''

>I agree. One doesn’t have to be 5-D to be High Multiverse Level+. However Madoka has never showcased any capacity to effect a 5th Dimensional Construct or Entity. She’s purely 4-D and nothing suggests otherwise

>Again your trying to assiocate state of existence with destruction. Madoka being 2-A prior to ascending to a higher dimension would make her at best 4-D, she doesn’t exist in 4 Dimensions but only can effect the 4th Dimension

>That’s not my point. Goku is stronger than a 4th Dimensional Entity, however that doesn’t make him suddenly Higher-Dimensional but akin to a lower Dimensional creature who can influence higher spaces

'''“First of all, that isn't an Association Fallacy. This is the explanation of said Fallacy. Well, I just used astrology and philosophy to explain what "Beyond the stars" means; however, I didn't use just that to explain Madoka's tier. If a character was stated to be beyond the stars, it is Low 2-C by default. However, the Famitsu magazine also states that Madoka is beyond past, present and future. ONLY if we use both statements we can find Madoka's tier, not using one of the two statements at a time. Those two statements mean that Madoka is beyond space and time, which is High 2-A by default. In the 3rd point of the blog I explained why Madoka is not only High 2-A, but also 5D; this is the explanation of five dimensional space: A five-dimensional space is one more than the usual three spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension of time used in relativitistic physics. It is beyond the 3 spatial dimension (in this case the "Beyond the stars" statement) and beyond the fourth dimension of time (in this case the "Beyond the past, present and future" statement).“'''

>Yes. Using astrology and philosophy when it has no proven connection to the statement or cosmology is very much an assiocated Fallacy. Your trying to assiocated the statement from Madoka that could mean something else and assiocsting it with another source without even proving the connection

>If we were to use both statements together. That suggest Madoka is beyond The Universe and linear time. Which isn’t 5-D, but merely 4-D. Furthermore for Madoka to even be High 2-A, she’d have to transcend all of Space and time in the cosmology (aka The Multiverse), as the multiverse is infinite and transcending a 2-A Cosmology is 5-D