Talk:Frisk (Canon)/StarMario89/@comment-35245484-20180409010510/@comment-32986854-20180415184549

"That doesn't justify the AP not being Universe level+. It literally doesn't make sense that your durability is 4D but the AP is unquantifiable. It would still be 4D even if Frisk didn't hurt anyone. Did you ignore the part where you can't have durability and AP from different dimensional values apart? It would be "possibly Universe level+" because Determination amps you to that 4D scale. You can literally just put a side weakness of, "Doesn't like to fight with Full Detemination" or something."

>Yes it does. It's called being able to bite more then you can chew. Nothing implies Frisks AP = their durability, they couldn't even harm base Asriel. Their DT is almost like a shield for them durability wise, hence why it wouldn't translate to AP.

"I never said that it does. Unless you don't believe in Dimensional Tiering, the AP would still be Universe level+ regardless. You are misinterpreting my comment. There might as well not even be a key for Full Determination Frisk if you aren't even going to list an AP for a 4D scale but a 4D durability. By the logic of, "Dura does not always equate to AP either, neither does Dimensionality", I could argue RoF Vegeta is Universal+ - Multiversal+ (depending on what you believe for his AP but it is comparable to Goku) but has Planet level durability because his bodied was destroyed with Earth exploded. You aren't making any sense with that argument."

>RoF Vegeta wasn't killed by the planetary explosion. He was killed due to being in space, where he can't breathe. Regardless, this would be an outlier and a false analogy fallacy. Frisk durability comes from his DT hax, not his physicality.

"Yes it does. You have ignored Dimensional Tiering AGAIN. This is the exact same argument that Sebastian used. You can't have 4D durability but unquantifiable AP. You have 4D AP as well. That's how Dimensional Tiering works."

>Being able to tank a 4D attack =/= you being 4D. You would not have 4D AP. That's not how dimensional tiering works at all. Objectively prove where it's stated in dimensional tiering that your durability === your AP.