Thread:Metal Mario875/@comment-30294856-20170721022452/@comment-30294856-20170721211522

Metal Mario875 wrote: Alright, I just came to a conclusion. These realms' clouds aren't exactly reliable.

What made it different in Sunshine is that the clouds were out in a vast realm, enormous, and were accompanied by consistently differing stars. These ones all look the same in Black Jewel's realm--clouds above a planet resemble those that are seemingly out in an empty space. That was different in Sunshine and, even if it weren't, nothing else assists Black Jewel's realms over Shadow Mario's. So for now, "High 3-A" is good.

I also have two other things to ask you.

The first one: in the opening, when Wario and Black Jewel were in the normal world, Black Jewel awakened and did this to it. I don't know if he erased the universe and replaced it with his realm, but it should count that, when his realm is erased at the end of the game, the Spritelings imply only Wario's castle had been destroyed, and they recreate it for him. Wario seems surprised by what they're doing and, the very next scene, they're not in the empty void anymore now they're in Wario's castle. I feel as though "High 3-A" is the safest thing, since the Spritelings seem to imply nothing else was destroyed but Wario's castle. But even then, Wario shouldn't be surprised by them doing such a small feat. And why was it that, when Black Jewel was killed, and his realm was erased, the universe wasn't there? This alone could be Low 2-C.

And two: I talked to Arceus a while back, and he made a good point about creating realms. Some characters can create realms individual of the universe--like the paintings according to Toad in SM64, the Secret Levels in Sunshine thanks to the rifts, and the Paranormal Dimension thanks to the Paranormal Portals. But then, there is a possibility for the characters to use existing time to create their space. For example, they could create a separate space whilst under the same time as the existing space. They could even create a space that overlaps the other space, basically having two spaces that function off of one time. Destroying space without destroying time is possible, and vice versa. It's creating that can't be done without the other, unless this is accepted. If we were to accept something such as this, then we would begin requiring very explicit statements or showings to prove that this realm is separate entirely, and not just under the same continuum. This doesn't effect Black Jewel, since he clearly erased everything at the end of the game.

But characters like Link and Zero, where we have nothing proving for sure Demise's realm was separate, or Lumine clearly overlapping his space over the existing one, they would remain at Large Star and SS/MSS respectively.

What do you think?


 * 1) For the first, I'm not sure. For now, I think a High 3-A, possibly Low 2-C would be a good rating for Black Jewel and therefore Wario.
 * 2) As for the second, that actually makes a lot of sense. If there are statements, like for Bowser with the Power Stars, Shadow Mario with the Secret Level, or Hit with Time Skip, that shows he creates a separate realm, the character could be at that level.