Thread:Metal Mario875/@comment-30300307-20170428155225/@comment-26374068-20170514003158

Alright, gotcha. I adjusted the rest of them, though.

Yeah, I find fallacies cringey, XD

Alright, I can show ya.

First off, as we know, the Marioverse has mentioned and stated that it runs off of String Theory in Wario: Master of Disguise, what with String Theory Soup.

It states that the secrets of the Marioverse can be obtained by drinking this soup--and, as you can see, these secrets relate to String Theory due to its name.

And while some would argue that Super Paper Mario's highly controversial, "And in the end, it will consume all existence... All worlds, all dimensions." refers to the common synonym universe for dimension, there is plenty pointing otherwise. Dimension D is the piece of evidence to say they mean universe. What says it means space? Well, Merlon stating that The Void is a hole in the dimensional fabric of space, Bestovius being referred to as a dimensional governor that gives out the dimensional technique, said dimensional technique being one that flips the user between spatial dimensions, and, well, sense itself. Why? "And in the end, it will consume all existence... All universes, all universes..." < I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. And besides, it consumes all existence and all dimensions. So, as long as dimensions mathematical dimensions exist within Mario, they'd be erased. And we see that it has mathematical dimensions because of String Theory Soup.

To show you The Void's consumption statement: The Void consumes all worlds, all dimensions, all timelines (by making it as if those worlds and dimensions never existed at all) and possibilities (erases the future, allowing (Super) Dimentio to create his own).

Here's some direct quotes to show they're talking about mathematical dimensions: Merlon said: It is a hole in the very dimensional fabric of space! Such a strange phenomenon... Merlon said: The Light Prognosticus foretells the hero will meet a dimension governor. And from him, the hero will learn the dimensional technique. Out of my text, but that "dimensional technique" is the Dimensional Flip--a power used to swap between spatial dimensions.

This would apply to their base forms. Why? Well:

More quotes.

Tippi said: This sage was very wise and is even said to have written the Light Prognosticus... He was also a great magician who could control dimensions... The statements that were emboldened will come in handy later.

Next...

The Light Prognosticus wrote: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_IjEPiYXhE&feature=youtu.be&t=15m50s The Void will swallow all... Naught can stop it... unless the one protected by the dark power is destroyed. The hero with the power of eight Pure Hearts will rise to this task.] Now, please recall that Merloo wrote the Light Prognosticus. And he is saying that not even he can stop this prophecy. Of course, he controls dimensions--so Super Dimentio clearly has to be beyond his reach of power--a twelfth dimensional being.

Believe it or not, this is actually backed up by something else. And that something else is backed up be a quote from VS Battles themselves.

Death Manipulation wrote: The death of the manipulation, as a concept, open wide opportunities. With this, you can instantly both kill an object and on the contrary, make it immortal, depriving it of the concept of death. In addition, you can kill even conceptually immortal beings, if your concept is stronger than the concept of a target. So... Queen Jaydes. Gotta love her, right?

Now, I'm proposing that Queen Jaydes has power over the concepts of life and death, and I'll be matching what she's done to our definition of the manipulation of life and death concepts.

Not only can she instantly kill Paper Mario in a game over (the one I'm proposing is 11-D), but she can also bring Luvbi back during the post-game, even though such a Nimbi never existed, and was merely a persona of the Pure Heart.

So, she has the power to both instantly kill a target and, on the contrary, make it immortal.

Now, she stands no chance against Super Dimentio--according to our page itself, in order to not be able to kill someone, they simply must have a stronger concept.

And what's a stronger concept than higher dimensionality? Merloo supports it, and Jaydes supports Merloo. Heck, the Pure Hearts support it, as they have infinite power when in comparison to normal characters. This is all very consistent--and, it provides great reasoning for why the Chaos Heart and Pure Hearts were needed. Everything just... adds up.

Finally, to finish why 11-D base Paper Mario characters is valid.

As we know, Paper Mario tanked The Void. Of course, that thing was consuming all eleven dimensions.

But, that's not all that's important here. Mainly, look at Paper Mario's condition after The Void.



Now, let's take a look at his condition after Dimentio blew him away--to the Underwhere.

The similarities between said feats cannot be ignored--Dimentio clearly matched The Void's power, for what it's worth. All four of the heroes can do battle with Dimentio equally, thus, they all scale to The Void; this is why they're High 1-C in base form. And with their hearts, they're Low 1-B.

Everything is supported and cleanly backed up. I would also say that, since The Void consumes all dimensions and that there's eleven, then the Paper Mario characters should get Immeasurable speed as well--for both their base forms and with their hearts, and also because... you know, their naturally transcendental to a normal space-time.

Now, of course, we can add "At least" to their ratings, or, we could add a "Possibly High 1-C" or "Possibly Low 1-B."

Or, we could do nothing at all. It depends on whether or not you trust the info I've shown. So, it's all up to you; I'm all ears. :)