User blog comment:Doge and pupper/11-12D Dimentio debunk/@comment-26374068-20180515022104/@comment-29403514-20180515212958

>"1. You found what you were looking for, which is nice. But it literally can't be a mistranslation... as a matter of fact, you saying it could be makes me think you don't have sufficient understanding of mistranslations and what makes them mistranslations. What makes a mistranslation a mistranslation is when the original source material of a foreign language states one thing, which the adapted version butchers. The original Japanese version using jigen literally can't be a mistranslation due to the fact that it is the original source material. The English version mentioning dimensions thus is solidified and not a mistranslation due to the fact that it's consistent with the original source material. And just to ensure that you know jigen is mathematical dimensions, the Japanese dictionary says so, which has thousands of native Japanese speakers helping design the website."

Problem here. When does it outright refer to them as spatial dimensions at all? You are heavily implying just because in real life, the Japanese terminology of Jigen means dimension that it auto applies to the same in fiction with Mario? I mean, unless Archie Sonicverse has an infinite amount spatial dimensions because zones are referred to as being dimensions... You get where I'm going with this? You can't apply the terminology of dimension like that to Mario. Otherwise, fictional universes that also use the term would follow this same logic.

The problem with using the term of "Dimension" is the overall context of it. Comics are a general and common offender of the terminology as they associate the term with parallel universes. Considering how the context of Super Paper Mario plays out as a whole other universes such as "Dimension D" being universes, the context is likely referring to the destruction of "dimensions" on a 4th Dimensional scale unless you can prove the cosmologies of each universe is higher of course.

And before you bomb me with, "Jigen still means Dimension!", that's not what I'm arguing against. It quite clearly means Dimension in context. However, other words exist for said context as well. Jigen has dopple meanings as well which bars other possibilities, but I will not delve upon that simply put because I have made my point.

>"2. This point is... ohhhhhh boy... Alrighty, so here's the thing. Tell me something: if there was nothing there, you would say the Marioverse doesn't run on String Theory because the strings aren't there to support it... would you not? Unless the game designers portray details that they intend for the player to see, then it will never be proven. In the end, unless they break the rules a little bit, they'll never be able to demonstrate things they previously wanted to be known. People can't seem to accept statements or descriptions, so a showing of String Theory in the works would prove it. This is honestly rather contradictory; right now, you're saying if it's shown, it's fake, and if it's not shown, it's not there. So, what are you going to accept? Those strings match the description of String Theory practically perfectly. Newer String Theories mention closed strings (said strings are closed), they mention them weaved in space (which these are), and they mention them as small (which these are; just not microscopic and impossible to see)."

Your conclusion seems to be based on a similar premise to that of SuperBearNeo's Author rating for 1-A. You are trying to draw conclusions based off of a name. How does that remotely prove a verse runs on said cosmology? String Theory Soup legitimately seems more like a reference or a joke rather than implying Mario's cosmology. Simply mentioning something doesn't validate the cosmology running off of it. There needs to be more validation outside of the name of an item or otherwise I guess I can assume Kirby can truly use the abilities of the Tri-Force because there is an item named after it in one his games? You get the point (hopefully). Subtle nods mean little.

Additionally, name logic in general is just so fallacious it means nothing. Legitimately, I am going to use Low 2-C Android Saga Vegeta because Big Bang Attack, 4-C Boros because of Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon, Low 2-C Celebi because of "Celebi: Encounter Beyond Time", etc. I think you get the point. Going off of a name to bolster your evidence is legitimately proving nothing in the grand scheme of things. Otherwise, I might as well upgrade a good amount of fiction because of attack names.

A background doesn't mean anything either. Background changes and effects should be ignored because the ambiguity behind them like what you are doing right now leads to a conclusion with little support already. Literally, I could argue that being oddly shaped confetti if I wanted to. Quantifying background things as support demeans your own argument in general because it means there was little to bolster it to begin with. This is about as legit as Asriel having Reality Warping because the background starts alternating and changing in a way that hasn't before.

>"3. What I'm trying to say is that the whole premise of the first level is to reference mathematical dimensions. It's called LINEland because of 1-dimensional lines. It uses those lines to create a plane... and then you flip that plane to create a landscape. The fact that there's mathematical equations in the sky in a world with tons of homages to mathematical dimensions further amplifies its connection to such things. What those equations are made of honestly don't matter."

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And? This proves what? That lower dimensions do exist? That's great I guess. Does that mean Gravity Falls now runs off of infinite dimensional planes of existence since Bill states he came from the second dimension? Hell no. You yourself should even know this since you even did a blog about "Debunking Gravity Falls Downplay" or something like that. Obviously, Gravity Falls isn't Infinite Dimensional as said "Dimensions" are universes.

What was the point of that you may ask? Well, your claim here legitimately proves NOTHING. Lower dimensions existing doesn't auto-default any and all terms in Mario to meaning spatiotemporal dimensions at all. I've already taken about how Comics genuinely abuse this. Infinite Dimensional Archie Sonic anyone? You get the point this point genuinely means nothing if anything.

Also, that's a HEAVY use of Association Fallacy you got there. Because it has mathematical equations in one setting that it automatically bolsters another how? Seriously, identify how that remotely helps your argument? You said it yourself. It's just an homage if anything. Nothing here proves that it is indeed supporting Mathematical Dimensions being applied. Subtle reference at best honestly. I'm sticking by Kirby having all of the abilities of the Tri-Force if we are really going by this logic.

>"4. So, the argument that Paper Mario is a separate canon? I've already dealt with this belief in a blog of my own. Thus, the Wario games (a.k.a. the Main Mario universe) are connected to the Paper Mario ones (the Paper Mario world; the two of them are actually the same universe). And I've countered the idea of Flavor Text before."

Inconsistencies =/= Automatically contradicting them not being the same canon. Paper Mario's verse literally exists as a book universe completely separate from the main continuity of Mario games. There's literally no debating around it. They clearly don't exist in the same Multiverse. I'm aware you've called it a different Paper Mario in the past because "he's made out of paper", but it is incredibly poor reasoning at acts as Gish Gallop at best.

>"As it says here, Flavor Text is in effect when it digresses past what the actual item does. The Flavor Text is the "fluff" (or sparkly writing) to the "crunch" (the truth within the statement). It is also Flavor Text if it contains quotes, narratives, poems, sayings, or jokes.

Now, let's pan through String Theory Soup.

"All the secrets of the universe are contained within this soup. Drink not, lest you learn more than man was ever meant to know."

''Okay. No quotes, poetry, sayings, jokes, narratives... just the narrator literally telling us what this thing's about."''

"Secrets of the universe" is vague. Nothing here even mentions String Theory. Your conclusion here is based off of something that isn't definite.

>"Now, is there any text in here that goes beyond what it actually does? No. It's never used, so we have no right to assume what's never shown, and considering the narrator's reliability and such, it's clear that this contains no Flavor Text.

''Reading a little bit on to learn more about what something actually is works wonders, my friend. And it's not a gag item since there's no traces of humor within the description. We can't just call something a gag without it demonstrating gag-worthy traits."''

Already covered this.

>"And what would warrant Dimentio destroying the higher dimensions? Actual quotes from the game.

"And in the end, it will swallow  all existence .  All worlds, all dimensions ..."

''All is a strong word; anything that exists will be erased. Period. Even if Paper Mario was a separate canon after all, this fact would not change as Paper Jam would still prove they're within the same multiverse."''

I've addressed the dimensions point. Actually, in this context, the comma seems to act as the thing meant to clarify what worlds would mean which would outright debunk your previous statements as here... Worlds = Dimensions.