User blog:Metal875/Mario's Massive Multiverse

Alright everyone. I'm here to calculate all universes that exist within the Marioverse--from the real world universes, to the dream world universes. Mario's especially heavy on the latter, which is what makes the verse so enormous. First, we'll do "Real World," then we'll do "Dream Stone," and finish it up with "Dream Depot." Let's get started, shall we?

Clarifications
The Paranormal Dimension, Underwhere and Overthere should still contribute dreams, considering characters do retain the ability to sleep, and feel fatigue. So I'll be using the full population from the beginning of time (the Big Bang) to calculate Dream Depot accurately.

Also, please note that I'm only doing a high-end version. One that assumes the highest possible values for the dreams. Even then, there will be unavoidable low-ends that need to be used. If you want a true low-end, just ask.

I'll calculate all universes that ever existed, but at the end, I'll point out ones that no longer exist and what that means for certain characters... like Super Dimentio, who was going to erase the entire Marioverse.

Real World
First, we have the seven universes from Super Mario Galaxy 2. These certainly resemble universes--especially World 5--and Lubba even states that you must travel through space-time to reach unknown worlds. For one, that's plural, implying that the worlds are separate, and then, he mentions "through space-time," implying the worlds even have separate space-time continuums. So, there's seven already. Then, Lumas and enemies are across all these worlds, meaning each universe is inhabited. That will come in handy later.

Anyway, then we have ten worlds from Super Paper Mario, including Flipside and Flopside, which are parallel to one another, as well as the Underwhere and Overthere. Following those are Lineland, Gloam Valley, Bitlands, Outer Space, Land of the Cragnons and Sammer's Kingdom.

Then we have Smithy's Dimension and Vanda, which are two more. Mario is also connected to our universe according to Mario is Missing, so our universe counts as well.

In the original Luigi's Mansion, King Boo materialized a mansion out of nothing instantly. Said mansion contains a grand total of five completely separate universes. While the celestial objects may look small, the Marioverse does this overwhelmingly often. In Dark Moon, the Paranormal Dimension seems to be a type of small "multiverse" of sorts, with a few universe-sized zones. One being the Knightmare Zone, the ScareScraper Zone, as well as multiple mini-zones, including Coin Zone 1, Coin Zone 2, Coin Zone 3, Coin Zone 4, Snow Zone, Train Zone and King Boo's Illusion Zone, as well as a possible Reality Zone. All of the Mini-Zones have countless stars in the background, as does the ScareScraper and Reality Zone. The rest come to scale. Thus, that's 15 extra universes.

This is all without mentioning the Secret Levels Shadow Mario created in Sunshine. Because their celestial bodies match ours, and because it's seemingly an infinite void, these are full-blown universes. So that contributes ten more.

So, all together, there are 45 universes. Fifteen of those are uninhabited, but the rest are inhabited.

Dream Stone
The Dream Stone has existed for, at least, an entire era. As stated by, like, everyone in Dream Team, the prosperity of the Pi'illo Kingdom dated back to an entire era ago. According to the Geological Time Scale, an era would be 100,000,000 years ago. Please note there are dozens of innumerable species on Pi'illo Isle, including Nommon, Hooskis, countless monsters, guardians such as Mammoshka and Zeekeeper, the Pi'illos, etc. The highest island population without random numbers above it is 10,000,000--which is very reasonable, considering how many species have existed there and how long they have. It is shown dozens of times throughout the game--what with Big Massif, Dr. Snoozemore, Mammoshka, random employees, etc. that the characters fall asleep numerous times a day due to Pi'illo Island's strange sleepy wavelength. 10,000,000 x 365.25 = 3,652,500,000. Because people dream 4 to 7 times a night--and people on Pi'illo Isle dream multiple times, we'll use a reasonable end and assume they all sleep thrice. We'll be using three instead of two because, as evidenced by Snoozemore, characters can even fall asleep tens of times each day. 3,652,500,000 x 21 = 76,702,500,000. And finally... 76,702,500,000 x 100,000,000 = 7,670,250,000,000,000,000 dreams/universes that are in the Dream Stone.

Dream Depot
I might be referencing this manual a lot, so keep the link open in another tab just in case. If I say something that I got from the manual, I'll put the page number right next to it in parentheses.

Of course, dreams arrive at Dream Depot everyday (page 6), and is the "real world of dreams," collecting everyone's dreams (page 6). So the entire Marioverse's dreams collect within Dream Depot? That means any inhabited universe--of which there are 30--contributes to this process.

Because the Star Spirits have guarded the Star Rod since the beginning of time, it's not a stretch to say they have guarded the Dream Depot for a similar amount of time. Considering it's the "real land of dreams," it had to of existed ever since dreams were a thing. So, let's make a few assumptions... Mario's world is big. And connected to ours canonically. So, we'll compare his world's population to ours. As of 2015 (because the PRB hasn't estimated 2016 nor 2017), our world's population--both living and dead--reached 108,200,000,000.

Mario not only has his own galaxy, but has countless other inhabited galaxies in each universe. So, we'll just multiply that by the amount of galaxies that are in both Super Mario Galaxies, then multiply that by two--because the Marioverse has many different aliens that inhabit separate planets and/or galaxies. There's 44 locations in both Galaxy games that are referred to as galaxies, and all exist in the same universe, so we'll use that as reference for all other universes.

108,200,000,000 x 44 = 4,760,800,000,000.

4,760,800,000,000 x 2 = 9,521,600,000,000.

9,521,600,000,000 x 30 = 285,648,000,000,000 people that inhabit those 30 universes.

Now, let's calculate how many days--altogether--those people have lived.

285,648,000,000,000 x 365.25 = 104,332,932,000,000,000. The average life expectancy for a male is [https://www.ssa.gov/planners/lifeexpectancy.html 84 years, rounded down. For females, it's 87 years, rounded up.] The number between those is 85.5, which is what we'll use to get the final take on how many dreams are in Dream Depot.

104,332,932,000,000,000 x 85.5 = 8,920,465,686,000,000,000 years. Honestly, because many characters never die (including Mario, who has literally lived into his hundreds thanks to the Galaxy games), Dream Depot still isn't at a set high-end. Take it as a low-end of the high-end.

And finally, to account for how many times they dream.

8,920,465,686,000,000,000 x 7 = 62,443,259,802,000,000,000 dreams/universes in Dream Depot.

Dream Team
"There are a different amount in each dream world." This shows there are many, and this is quoted from Dreambert very early in the game. "The Dream Stone was formed of happy dreams... The Dark Stone, a solid manifestation of nightmares..." Shows they are literally made up of said dream worlds. Dreambert uses Mario's "world" in context towards "universe," saying "Something has befallen the real world in my absence." This would mean that each dream world is its own universe. What's more, in each dream world, there are Luiginary Works. Some of these include stars and even entire constellations that Dreamy Luigi flies into. The space between Earth and the Sun is enormous, and it is made out to look small during these scenes. Also, saying that they are that far apart is not a stretch, as in Giant Battles, Dreamy Luigi jumps into space. So there exists an outer space, which can also be seen during these fights with countless stars in the sky. Then, when Dreamy Luigi jumps to space, an enormous amount of stars are seen in the background. Mario is thrown, and it looks as though he's zooming by countless stars on his way down. The fact that there exists this much space plus more, it's seriously not a stretch to say the dream worlds are universe-sized. It should also be noted that this is only a part of each dream--Dream's Deep is stated by Dreambert to be the nadir of each dream world, and nadir is the center of a circle. So, there is THIS much space in one area of the circle--not even counting Dream's Deep... Yeah, they really should be universe-sized.

And all this is without counting the fact that, despite has loose continuity, there still exists continuity here. So the Dream Stone would scale up to Dream Depot.

Mario Party 5
Dream Depot was confirmed directly by Misstar and by the manual (page 28) to turn its dreams into universes, describing Future Dream as the "dream of the universe." It even contains countless stars in the background, and has actual constellations in it, too.

The Multiverse
45 + 7,670,250,000,000,000,000 + 62,443,259,802,000,000,000 = 70,113,509,802,000,000,045 universes within the Marioverse.

Universes That No Longer Exist
The Paranormal Dimension along with the mansion in the Luigi's Mansion games both ceased to exist after King Boo had been defeated. Aside from that, the rest still exist.

Final Tally: 70,113,509,802,000,000,030.

Super Dimentio
When Super Dimentio threatened the Marioverse, the mansion had already faded from existence. Luckily, however, the Paranormal Dimension still existed.

So Super Dimentio was going to erase 70,113,509,802,000,000,040 universes from existence--making it as though they never existed--then recreate them in his own image, and rule them as a god. He is, without a shadow of a doubt, at least 2-B.