User blog:Mystery idiot 50/dragon ball analysis.

okay, i am recreating this blog with more feats.

okay, this is taken from vs battles.

1. If Beerus fought in the time nest, he would destroy that dimension of time, aka the 4th dimension. They specify the dimension of "time" not a Universe. Beerus is completely uncaring and not afraid at all, as is Whis. he is willing to go nap even back at his temple while such a threat looms over the multiverse from Demigra to.

http://i.imgur.com/y3x6giA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/URIwlfZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3Dck7Hz.jpg

2. Mira and Towa exist outside the flow of time, even during their battles, Demigra, Goku, Bardock, the patrollers etc have also fought outside of time in the crack of time, and can indeed fight against Towa and Mira as well. This shows they can freely leave the flow of time and multiverse, and exist and move outside of it.

http://i.imgur.com/oascPrX.png

http://i.imgur.com/Z0Ijifx.png

3. It is stated Demigra controls all of time and all of space after absorbing Toki Toki, this applies to the multiverse as seen where he effects multiple timelines.

http://i.imgur.com/0cZ2Dpe.png

4. Demigra is stated to be able to create his own history, he plans to do this after destroying the time vault. This is specified as his own, and he controls space and time to.

http://i.imgur.com/VOLxt0p.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QQkjB5u.jpg

5. Towa and Mira planned to fuse the demon realm with Universe after obtaining Toki-Toki's egg.

http://i.imgur.com/dMvshzm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6psuCeW.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">6. Towa even states she can easily rule over time and space with the egg, which is a multiverse.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/J0BDhms.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">7. Even Old Kai in the time nest is afraid of Beerus destroying everything from within the U7 timeline, no time nest. Beerus is even stated by him to be able to end the Universe.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/JER2vGN.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/YZ3W11a.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/9Psbp2O.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/Dx5j604.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/XwZvtWY.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">8. The kai of Time states Beerus could destroy everything, all history, this is when he was not in the time vault.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/koF2lfV.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/NMLVUGC.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/DJdaumG.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">9. During Bardock and Mira battle the power was so great all of history disappeared from the clash despite it taking place outside time.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/nfWAbSL.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/rWIRlhF.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">10. Towa controls an entire timeline with the egg to the point even the kai of time and Trunks can't help you.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/2NlAadC.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">11. It is stated that Mira when removing his limiter had the power to tear through and destroy not just the Universe but dimensions, Towa states even leaving the Universe would not save her, and considering she exists outside the flow of time and can leave the multiverse, yet thought there was no escape, it means Mira's attack would even exceed the 4D multiverse and destroy outside of time to.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/9NILTFS.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/eN6gTyI.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/LAuiLsO.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/MmqRjUb.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">12. It is stated in v-jump that Demigra's power "After managing to gather enough Kiri, Demigra turned into a Demon God - giving him black magic that transcends human knowledge, he wields an overwhelming power"

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/7x2UuOz.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">13. Demigra also stated 3 times he would erase the future warrior from history and existence like he never existed.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://imgur.com/eDOYsI2

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://imgur.com/HA7yK4P

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://imgur.com/IWQs8x6

<p style="font-size:14px;">14. It is confirmed by Kai of time that Demigra was indeed warping time, the Universe, all of History everything, and the future warrior saved all of it.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://imgur.com/mw6WwOP

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://imgur.com/HQndtfE

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/7LxXCWp.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/ISqwcQ6.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/lGbUFVC.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">15. As far as how many timelines there are, we see directly in Xenoverse that there are many such as for the movies and GT, each scroll is one theoretically, and it is even explained by trunks that all the time fragments are alternate timelines, they result in scrolls, but even when fixed and added to the main scroll the timelines remain regardless, if to many scrolls accumulate then it can destroy the Universe by destroying the time vault. So there are even many more timelines that have been fixed or are not immediately harmful that are not in scrolls to.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/LqGoiOe.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/gnkrNem.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/fvH07QP.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/TUBrGIp.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/mvoIeur.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/6ouK0iO.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/Ncpktg7.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/Z25Tp21.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">In fact in DBO which is the prequel it is stated in one of the official guides that Mira created a "myriad" of alternate timelines, and in Super Pilaf states there are "tons" of timelines. Note Pilaf was able to fix a problem with the time machine that Bulma was having trouble with, and was making giant mechs even in Dragon Ball, so he is a genius and understands time travel. And if we connect Shin Budokai which is a sequel to fusion reborn and 2 years after buu, so technically can link to Xenoverse since it also has FR timeline and many others, then according to Cell there are endless timelines.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/fYkEXyZ.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/LbRsbsH.png

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/Qh3jbV7.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/J9flgps.jpg

<p style="font-size:14px;">So there you have it. Many feats and statements that the god tiers, especially Towa, Mira and Demigra exist outside time and space and can maneuver outside it, even while in battle, the god tiers can control manipulate and destroy not just the Universe but all histories, even the dimension of time as stated with Beerus by kai of time, and Mira after releasing his limiter had the power to even destroy not just the Universe but tear through dimensions to the point even Towa who can leave the multiverse and 4D space-time would still not be safe from his power. Then he got a buff on top of that, and he would scale to other god tiers as SSJB Goku and the patroller could take him on at his peak.

<p style="margin-top:0.4em;font-size:14px;">they specify dimension of time, and they normally would say universe or timeline. But even if it were a timeline that's still tier 2, especially since Beerus would tank the destruction of all the multiverse by destroying that and was not worried at all, neither was whis.

<p style="font-size:14px;">2. They exist outside the flow of time, and can leave the multiverse and battle outside of time and space, iirc if you can freely leave time and space and fight outside of it even against beings that are in it that is beyond finite speed. I mean lots of other characters got upgraded for moving outside time and space.

<p style="font-size:14px;">3. Not quite. The time nest is destroyed and all time and space is as a result. Thus the patroller is logically beyond time and space. All that really showed was toki toki could equal demigra since he could interfere, it does not change the fact Demigra has his powers and could do the same, and is stated to control it all. in fact just a egg from toki toki is able to give towa enough control over the timeline that it vetos kai of times ability to interfere, logically having toki toki itself is even superior to a portion of its power from an egg.

<p style="font-size:14px;">4. I do agree he planned to use the time nest for the destruction, but he did at least have significant control of all histories and warp all time, histories and everything before hand, as confirmed by kai of time in X2, and he had the ability to make his own timelines and control all time and space without it afterward, so that would be tier 2 for sure.

<p style="font-size:14px;">6. True the eggs make a timeline, but they are not necessarily limited to that power. Towa thought the destruction of the egg would destroy all timelines when it was caught by Mira, and that there was no escape even outside of time. So its potentially power is implied mutliversal, and she states she can control space and time, which is a lot of histories.

<p style="font-size:14px;">7. True he can, however this is stated in response to Beerus getting angry outside the time nest in U7 timeline and as an immediate threat, there is no indication of it being due to the time nest, and this happens multiple times outside the time nest. Also Beerus is uncaring if he is caught in such destruction so clearly he can tank it anyway no matter how it happens.

<p style="font-size:14px;">9. I'm confused on how removing all history is high 3-A. Wouldn't removing even 1 timeline be low 2-C, and history includes a multiverse so in this context minimum of 2-B?

<p style="font-size:14px;">10. Agreed, but it does show that she is capable of high levels of control vetoing kai of time completely like that, and logically that would scale to demigra who had toki tokis power and not just that of an egg.

<p style="font-size:14px;">11. It stated his core would overload, it is still his power, and towa even says he far exceeded any of her calculations and she confirms that there is no escape at the end and that everything is done for, the whole multiverse would go up in smoke, and even outside time theoretically since she thinks she can't run. Then at his peak he absorbs her and all the eggs energy and becomes even more powerful still, considering this, the fact his power only rose substantially when he already was maxing out and about to detonate and take the multiverse with the explosion I'd say that's solidly minimum of at least 2-B, at least 2-A if we use the endless worlds statement.

<p style="font-size:14px;">12. It was more just a interesting quote that applied to Xenvoerse. Also considering Bulma understands time travel and the level of tech and such in DB it is impressive to transcend human knowledge.

<p style="font-size:14px;">13. I agree, but it would be very useful for taking out high end regen guys who can come back from nothing.

<p style="font-size:14px;">14. Warping all history and everything is a multiverse, and this does not refer to the time nest theory, so logically warping a multiverse is 2-B minimum I would think.

<p style="font-size:14px;">15. Well easily 2-B size with just the "myriad" statement, or the amount of scrolls/time shards. 2-A if we take the endless worlds statement.

<p style="font-size:14px;">All in all we know Beerus can tank or destroy all history aka the multiverse, absolutely everything without issue.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Mira even outside his final form has the power to destroy all timelines in his explosion and even outside time as towa says they are all doomed and will die no matter if they try to run, and said he would tear apart dimensions and exceeded all her calculations.

<p style="font-size:14px;">The egg towa had seemed to have the potentially to threaten the multiverse if its power was unleashed, and she controlled it, and mira absorbed all its power on top of his own which was maxing out.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Demigra controlled all time and space, and can create his own timelines without the time vault, he even warped the whole multiverse before as confirmed in X2, albeit he wanted to use the time vault to completely obliterate it.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Bardock and mira clash wiped out all history, which is many timelines.

<p style="font-size:14px;">I mean honestly I can't see putting the god tiers below 2-B, 2-A if we use the endless worlds statements.

<p style="font-size:14px;">[credits to this man. and forget about dragon ball downplaying from vs battles.]

<p style="font-size:14px;">[[1]]

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Obviously Goku is way above planetary level since King vegeta at a power level of 15,000 can destroy 3 planets if wanted by a hand wave:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-26-2015/mPvg0u.gif

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">And don't give me the crap about the anime being non canon since it's confirmed canon:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dayspring/media/AnimeMe4.jpg.html

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">This is something that a normal dbz fan would easily know so nothing special I suppose

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Also, note that Dragon Ball Kai is canon:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://www.kanzenshuu.com/guides/episode/kai/toriyama_cut.png?x86358

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So anything in it is canon, as all the statements in it that aren't contradicted.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So planet level is off the list

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<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Now for the claims that he is only solar system level-

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Cell was solar system level, proof:-

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/09bxE.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/206651-cell_viz_super.jpg

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<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">For those idiots out there who think that cell isn't a solar system buster:-

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">The Super exciting Guide confirms it:-

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/8z8GKKA.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Translation -

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Super Saiyan Grade Five (Strongest Form)

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One’s personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell’s energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">An official Spanish guide proves it:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/149927/3359946-5978898322-page_.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Here's Toei's website for Dragon Ball Kai stating that cell is a solar system buster:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_kai_2009/episode/summary/96/

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Some translations:

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<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Heck here's herms backing my claims up:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22411

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Dragon ball Kai even mentions it, dub and sub. Even the Original Dub version of dbz, the one with so many errors, mentions it.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">I don't even have to enter the games

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Some ignorants will start saying: "Cell never did it, so he's not a solar system buster"

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Now you have to look at the fact that there is something called plot, the plot won't make cell destroy the solar system just to show his feat, and not to destroy the plot, this applies for every single information like this in dbz, so they are replaced by statements, however there are types of statements, truthful, proclamation, and hyperboles. Truthful ones are the ones that are supported or not contradicted, hyperboles are the ones that are contradicted, but proclamations are statements that the characters state because of arrogance

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">This solar system one was supported and not contradicted thus proving the point

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Some people will say "how would the z fighters know that it's that strong actually?"

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Easily counterable, remember when kid Buu wanted to destroy earth before unleashing his strongest attack? He fired a little blast that can destroy earth, yet Goku was able to tell!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://ultraimg.com/images/5WBoZ.gif

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So z fighters can actually measure up the amount of ki needed to destroy something, which is supported in the fight where vegeta wanted to destroy earth and Goku was literally worried so he prepared himself

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Calims: "Cell has Vegeta's, Frieza's and King Cold's cells so he must be bluffing"

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Yet cell has all the z-fighters cells where they don't bluff on their abilites bruh and he knows how powerful he is

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So solar system is out of the list for Goku's Destructive Capability first obvious reasons

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<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Now let's see if it's galaxy

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Of course it's impossible, here's why:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Kid Buu destroyed a galaxy in 4 frames as we see it at one go, it was even shown in Dragon ball Kai which is even comparable with the manga itself considering it's the most recent dbz content for Akira himself as he approved it's his cut:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6210/ff4549f71b4a4d693b86f8b6ca719223b26b91d8_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">People say that the galaxy feat happened in many years which is wrong, considering we see kid Buu rapidly destroying planets so he must've seen the galaxy, since he's crazy (at that time it was referred to Kid buu considering fat Buu never had a consideration of doing it like that)

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Yet some people say since he rapidly destroyed planets it just proves he did it in time because he cannot do it that fast

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Which is bullshit like those people who think so

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Here's the proof why it's bullshit:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">When Kibitoshin Kai saves Goku and vegeta mainly, kid buu kept on destroying planets, the following clip shows a planet getting annihilated:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6210/2c4ea9899b835e6b370e5764c8efa87c7a3e907b_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Then rapidly the same way we see as the galaxy feat, another planet is destroyed:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6210/dd2acd26199ebaeffd8b2f6c54d7c2647473c55a_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So it just proves that it doesn't make since for Kid Buu to have all that time destroying 4 planets then a galaxy at those clips:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://i.imgur.com/EqsQPta.png

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">People say that kid Buu's strongest attack only has the power to destroy a planet which is FUNNY considering the explosion of earth was so strong it made another galaxy visible FROM EARTH'S POINT which is literally an impossible feat unless it could be universal or something at that reach: (Note that this might mean that even the galaxy is destroyed, if that's the case, then this feat is Universal because of the *Condensed* output)

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6210/f728284d776d30a85fc1a5904dd00d0d58ffc473_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Claims: "If it was universal then why did it only destroy a planet and kid Buu doesn't care if he destroy whatever?"

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">It's easy to answer fellows, you must look the fact that kid Buu wanted to kill Goku and Vegeta WITH the planet, so he literally condensed the ki blast on the planet so it literally would cover them up as well, so when he went on destroying planets, he was searching for them as he was able to tell that they escaped

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Oh and when Beerus sealed old kai in the z sword (very known evidence), he said that he weaker than regular fat buu:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/5819/256f88a6d7b1a2c316bd91e19c782f5ace9727fd_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Japanese Manga:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://m.imgur.com/SIkU0h8?r

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Even the recent Dragon Ball Kai says it that's he not as bad (and the first scan I'm about to show makes it mow like he's not as strong with the term bad as well) as Buu which he was fat Buu at that time:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/cbd66ca6e937aa7162dcbe0de6359388b1a9ee9c_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/e4f260888474d5ecfa39fe5e168ce43caac713b9_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">It's episode 131 from Dragon ball Kai (2014) named "A Merged Super-Warrior Is Born, His Name Is Gotenks!!"

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Yet At that time Beerus had the power to destroy the Kaioshin realm but he didn't because it wouldn't be proper so instead he sealed old kai in the z sword:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/5858/5b0cd8f4bae71a9ec294a171b4a1fc084a6f836d_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">The Kaioshin realm is 1/5th the size of the living world, and 1/10th the size of the entire dbz macrocosm.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">However, the living world has two sections, the universe in which normal mortals live in, and the demon realm, where even the Kaioshins like old kai with the omniscient vision can't track what's going on there, it's totally as big as the universe where normal mortals are living thus making them equal in size

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Btw, here's a guide stating Majin Buu's power (fat buu):

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213729/4442964-5879639974-33599.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">It states that he can destroy the universe

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Claims: "He can do it over time"

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Impossible, otherwise the guide would be wrong even though Akira toriyama supervised these guides

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Here's the proof: the universe is hella wide, even bigger than our real life universe. I proved it down here:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://aminoapps.com/p/eopwk6

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">FORGET THE CONTENT! Just go straight to the part about the size of the universe, it's in the ranges of the image of the dbz universe.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Anyway, if that's the case, then how the hell would it be like let's say galaxy by galaxy? That'd take him a ridiculous number of time, yet the kais where so scared they had to act fast. Why didn't he destroy the universe then? Simple.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">1) He's having fun:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6062/789e47f9412c1005c06fffeba157bb9516e86f63_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">2) Nothing suggests a "need" of destroying it all. Bibidi wants to terrorize THEN destroy the universe entirely, but that'd take time, guides even say that Bibidi's goal was to kill, then destroy. Majin Buu was created the moment the universe came to existence. See?

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Anyway, here's more proof:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6062/789e47f9412c1005c06fffeba157bb9516e86f63_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Goku says "poof", kid buu will make this happen IF they, goku and co., don't kill him.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">The title of the chapter and episode proves it:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://m.imgur.com/YsYYwkB

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">More:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://web.archive.org/web/20111011042540/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=07&id=final_battle#link

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So literally speaking this is how much the Kaioshin realm is big, however the universe is not just as big as it sounds like to be the real life one, so leave that content for later because we'll talk about it here but not in this section

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Now kid Buu is a Universe buster as guides, and Japanese Manga proved: (AGAIN)

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126650/4696173-7504585941-14.jp.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://i62.tinypic.com/ot3mdf.jpg

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<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/870828/828/84/23ULRuO.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/255382-vegeta_says_buu_is_universal_threat_super.gif

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Heck in Dragon ball Xenoverse kid Buu makes a Universe in a timeline go 'poof':

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/ff1e564374fa6dad344fde7255860a1d06abb9cb_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/50afb647aaebc784da4af382b6acdeb0fd43f7c5_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/bd7e12bb0ee1143b652b7452b4106d7587850340_hq.jpg

<p class="bolder" style="font-size:14px;">NOTE: I WILL consider DBXV canon because it is said to be "original story" by Akira Toriyama. But not the plot, only intentions

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Dragon Ball Xenoverse is canon:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/2ccf24c9b8fcc7eef77488fce08ef69a7f7ac2c3_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6181/3769b15f6919cca541960dfa019ccb4b0bed719a_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6181/058b394b5acd0a59a18dd270d1b7a9e1d1ed0e48_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6181/6490c182e1f9c28475c4f64f4b19d0f633df45c3_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6181/9dd1eaeacc2e2a426023a8c923e35287c0f03908_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6181/4b1194b923213b2d0f3b92611af0a08ca0f5fd43_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6181/b638279d12472691f6261c12517746d62eaaa54b_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So here it goes, it's all confirmed

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Claims: "he was at villainous mode", well the villainous mode doesn't increase your power to the point where you are 100x stronger bruh, considering the kid Buu made it go poof while standing, he would be at least capable of doing some damage the same way in his normal state bruh

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So definitely Goku is above universal

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<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Now let's get to Multi-galaxy-

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">You might and will ask "why return to this level when we went above universal?"-

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Easy, because some people think that Goku's and Beerus's feat was universal only with combined powers which is utterly wrong it ain't funny

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">I'll explain it down

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<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Let's go to Multiverse Level - Xenoversal

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Is that the true answer? Let's see

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Some people claim that Goku's and Beerus's fight only proved that they are individually Multi-galaxy Level Which is bullshit for the reasons down

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">The feat that occured between Beerus and Goku is made entirely so it could be referred to as the biggest feat in dbz, however there is a multiversal+ feat in dbz not dbs! So if Goku's and Beerus's feat is supposed to be higher then how's that possible?

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">To make sure of that let's talk about the feat that is multiversal+ from dbz

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">You might (or might not) wonder what is it? It's actually Buuhan's feat which is confirmed canon!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">How is it so? Let's talk

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">When Buuhan got so freakin angry, he was going to make all the alternate dimensions collapse together and destroy the universe, this requires you to be strong enough to destroy alternate dimensions (alternative the as well dimensions of the universe with same characteristics), and the universe. That's multiversal? Huh it's beyond, not just because of alternate dimensions but for destroying the universe. In order to destroy the dbz universe you must have enough Destructive Capability to not just destroy a Universe but an entire multiverse, why you might ask? This will be explained later down

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">And destroying alternate dimensions at once as well leads to an unbelievable Destructive capability equivalent to that of a metaverse level! You think I'm high? Sorry but no, here's why:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">A metaverse could be explained as containing an infinite number of unconnected universes with different physics than each and it doesn't have a beginning nor any ending and it doesn't expand more because it's already their (by all means it's infinite in size and doesn't expand), but a multiverse has a beginning, which is the center, then expands infinitely more, however their are Levels of a multiverse, a one that has beginning but it has infinite number of universes (non-ending), but other types do have a beginning but they aren't set on stone as having infinite number of universes but expand infinitely

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Some of those explanations are what's known on fiction and some are related to general ideas. So literally Buuhan has the power to bust alternate dimensions which every single one is like low metaverse level, and destroying the dbz universe = multiverse (and no I'm not saying busting busting a dbz universe is equivalent to a multiverse because of the timelines theory)

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Here's why, the time nest is said to be equivalent to the structure (not feature) of the room of spirit and time which is explained as something that literally has no beginning nor ending as Stated by Goku and its atmosphere has the same concept, but the dbz multiverse as implied in Dragon ball Xenoverse 2 trailer is a Xenoverse of its own:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/c5b63f75f516705db61ff1cb5e2bc7277dfef546_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">This implies that the threads are threatening the 'Xenoverse' which is referred to everything and everything is referred in DBS as the multiverse

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So by default it MUST contain either infinite number of multiverses or finite multiverses but MUST BE CONNECTED WITH INFINITE NUMBER OF ALTERNATE DIMENSIONS or contain infinite number of metaverses. Which it seems to be that the dbz universe is actually a multiverse but is connected to alternate dimensions, as together they make up the structure of that of a metaverse+ even. This is also well backed up by the fact that daizenshuu said that galaxies exist infinitely in the universe and the number is infinite. As we all know it seems with all those being said, there are Levels of 'infinite'. So I could put the dbz universe as a multiverse where it has had a beginning but it's expanding but IT IS AS BIG AS A HYPOTHETICAL REAL LIFE MULTIVERSE. But the structure of the universe is also backed up by dimensions like the room of spirit and time

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So all of that was stated by me to prove the fact that Goku's and Beerus's feat was actually greater than all that and not as people address it to be!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">How you may ask? Easy

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Let's look at what they actually say about Goku and Beerus:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">When Goku and Beerus made all that clash, goku was only testing Beerus as a 'warm up' use of power:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/b034fc0c339d7374123694107ec2d0172d020421_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/2801948fe1a0cfc95692a1dacab05fcc34579551_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">And he was testing new techniques lol

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/4c9c3c16b2482d9891a07c90fc7a76ef1f7576cb_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Yet they suddenly went really higher in power after all that clash which would annihilated the universe which is a multiverse and the word 'annihilate' means leaving nothing from, which in order to make it more than buuhan feat then it mist consider the fact that the Universe's dimensions and alternate dimensions were also threatened, but that would make it as much as the level of Buuhan's feat?? But it's way better you'll see down soon

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/3e86bb835782780668a161c5a6a884b0ac2770e6_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/f95b9d1ecdb1f539d438b414f680b39a5d9745df_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Goku says he went after all that 100%

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/6b1db307a7668ee8908e7d20cfe49a929a1c6353_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Yet it is proven that he lied since when he absorbed the power of SsjG to his Ssj form, he even says I'm not at full power:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/32410e121d79d7f4fe6c87d4c1bf1e174caa9b95_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Now with all that it is stated that EACH ONE was BY HIMSELF fighting at a power strong enough to destroy the universe:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/d167dc227d1cdce3df9a70d285e724448d6d2f3b_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/b33c19ab14165a3b3cc6ca1d8a5e35e95a2e8595_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/dd28e90053f94aaf62a27aeaf14bdd5d2b11100f_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Each already had the power to destroy the universe (goku even) When he was JUST WARMING UP-LIKE as goku said the shockwaves were from Beerus but he was trying to perfect his power and movements and holding back:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/d38f1dd2762c942fc9ff665bb10ff4cd2e479ace_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">But how is that above Buuhan? Let's talk about it

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">All the 18 universes (except 6 have been destroyed by Omni-king) are the same except that we are introduced to the room of spirit and time which is like a Xenoverse of it's own (you know why? Because it is said to be like the time nest and everything which is a Xenoversal thing). In order to destroy it from the universe we must 'annihilate' it, this way it makes very huge sense right?

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Can we back up that? SURE!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Let's look at Dragon Ball Xenoverse:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">When Demigra unleashes an attack strong enough to destroy EVERYTHING:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/8e443a9eeb889bb63948bd6d82c29b42399eeefe_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/053972565562291a42f3452074bdb5c12191c261_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/3dd9befb282813e967210c4e30110f4a77e71500_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/2fc3c9dca3f8005a7a8c52864e63fa98601e6a31_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/e465ea23c706d2ebe9e8c3635e06f8a1829cc851_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/f028c680d11727d799c77906fa71c25b6935c7c3_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/ca4eac6f74a49eb7a3767ff19247739499b1d672_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">And he actually destroys it before the time patroller fixes everything:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/5a5fd379867ed77188630c7ac6d4924e0a5baf96_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Base form goku blocks the attack though!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/68cd1ad7b6c7cd859658d0b79b6ba90c84cb857f_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">And the was after the god power absorption:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://pm1.narvii.com/6220/35301efe808fe3d0169fa9dad875a58f1aa4909f_hq.jpg

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">So that proves that my claims aren't based on emptiness, this goes especially for those shits who downplay dbz

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Yet Goku absorbs the power and current base form goku >> SsjG BoG!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Proof:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">First, when goku returned to Ssj while fighting Beerus, goku said "I don't feel like I got weaker", then Beerus confirms to Goku that the power of SsjG is in Goku's current form (Ssj):

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/t4pOaEY

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/Y8B5LcZ

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/Uu7BTfN

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/MzZrdez

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">And:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">When Goku's SsjG form fused with Ssj, Ssj became as strong as SsjG:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://kissanime.to/Anime/Dragon-Ball-Super/Episode-013?id=117612

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">This is the episode where it is stated, episode 13, skip to 19:17 and continue watching:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Beerus: I thought your time was up.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Goku: What?

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Beerus: Listen!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Beerus: Your Super Saiyan God aura is gone!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Beerus: Your took way too long to notice!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Goku: Huh? When'd that happen?

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Goku: But I don't feel like I got weaker at all.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Then confirmed by the narrator:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/R8bmGmC

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/yS2Shtn

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Here's Akira saying it:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Main quote:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Q: Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">A: I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Goku's power further starts increasing till he reached the SsjG power to his base form as he also blocked Beerus's blast:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/qo7B0oP

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/akEQ3xV

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Here's Goku implying that he surpassed his limitations

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/1dCLAIs

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/IluiWTs

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/rRXjan8

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/jOAqXaQ

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Here's whis comparing Goku's and Vegeta's base to the castle of Beerus and stating their limits

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/KHPKw8s

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Here Beerus implies that Base Goku became alot stronger than when he fought SsjG:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/QH0HJyo

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://imgur.com/bYHVXsW

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">And heck Beerus gets so excited when he fights base Goku again way more than when he fought SsjG Goku

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ho9qtlv6mh8

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Not to mention Gowasu also compares Ssj2 Goku as a rivaling power to a god of destruction

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://kissanime.to/Anime/Dragon-Ball-Super/Episode-053?id=128498

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Episode 53, skip to 18:25

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">With more proof that in RoF Gohan and Krillin says that Goku's ki and Frieza's before going to SsjB and Golden for frieza, that their ki is way more fearsome than Goku's ki against Beerus and the fight was way more intense

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://kissanime.to/Anime/Dragon-Ball-Super/Episode-024?id=121199

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Episode 24, skip to 4:48 where Gohan and Krillin make the statements about this topic...

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">In Dragon ball Xenoverse before demigra tried to control Beerus, Beerus said that Goku absorbed that power:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">https://youtu.be/YN6fx8C2rqw

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Dragon Ball Xenoverse, Skip to 12:19, there is the statement...

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Also, check this: http://aminoapps.com/p/cxzkl

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Even if we skip Xenoverse, the fact that the shockwaves appeared proves it all, yet when Goku's ki and Gotenks's ki warped the universe shockwaves didn't appear meaning Goku and Beerus feat must be greater of a kind. Here's a dbz universe and to "annihilate" It and don't forget about ROSAT and spaces:

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">http://aminoapps.com/p/shmvh5

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">I'm not even including new feats, this is a dwarf analysis after all

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Notify me if I forgot anything, peace! And make sure to hit the comments!!!

<p class="None" style="font-size:14px;">Peace!

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<p style="margin-top:0.4em;font-size:14px;">Towa and Demigra's Dark Ki negated your power so much that you couldn't use Ki or magic and needed energy from other characters. [1]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Towa is able to move through frozen time. [2]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Towa stopped the flow of time by going to the past and Demigra destroyed it by going into the past [3]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Towa turned 18 into an energy ball and merged her to 17. This also means she could absorb if she wanted. [4]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Majin Towa's attack Infinite Ki Zone She has infinite Ki (Darkness Towa was Multi-Universal prior). She was stated by Chronoa that her power has no end! ( the kanji used could also translate to infinite/ endless) [5]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Towa manipulated a dimension by throwing her staff at it [6]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Chronoa, Trunks, and Vegeta moved in the Crack of Time (Described as a place with no time) [7]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Demigra almost erased the whole DBHverse and real world which is a space above and the space beyond the multiverse and time [8]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Goku Xeno and Chamel went to the real world which is the space that's beyond the multiverse as stated by Trunks. [9]

<p style="font-size:14px;">Mira, Towa, Trunks, and Chronoa existed beyond Space-Time.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Confirmed that Extreme Butoden, DB Fusions and the 4D movie are timelines in DB Heroes. IIRC, According to DB Fusions they had infinite timespaces (timelines) and even the low tiers like Ziku can destroy timelines like it is nothing. In theory, you could encounter a character an infinite number of times.

<p style="margin-top:0.4em;font-size:14px;">Relevant feats and scans for them.

<p style="font-size:14px;">1. Janemba can distort, twist and warp space and time through multiple dimensions and timelines simultaneously.

<p style="font-size:14px;">2. His true form is the evil energy, and it lingers through multiple dimensions/timelines. It can take form as Janemba's body, or evil copies of other warriors. He can constantly come back as long as the evil energy exists, wherever it exists at any time. (He was only beaten by PIS since the energy all gathers in one place conveniently, and forms his body which is defeated then)

<p style="font-size:14px;">3. Can tank continuous attacks from Gotenks without damage. Gotenks is stated to be warping dimensions(timelines) plural to erase Cell from their timeline in combat.

<p style="font-size:14px;">4. Can posses victims with evil energy (did so to Gohan for a short time), or by merging them with an evil counterpart (Like with Vegeta).

<p style="font-size:14px;">5. Can create copies of his own body and copies of others

<p style="font-size:14px;">6. Feeds off of resentment and hatred.

<p style="font-size:14px;">7. Can absorb others (does so to Kid Buu) this increases his power.

<p style="font-size:14px;">8. Can resurrect the dead constantly (does this with Cell more than once as his zenkais make him stronger)

<p style="font-size:14px;">9. Was able to effect even dreams, as he transported teen Gohan in the past from his dream into another timeline.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Here is a link to an album I compiled of scans to all these feats/statements.

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://imgur.com/a/81SR4

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://animevscomics.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SSJRyu1/Janemba_(Shin_Budokai)_scans/feats

<p style="font-size:14px;">On March 23, 1993. Chapter 415 of Dragon Ballcame out, and one of the most infamous statements in versus debating history came out

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<p style="font-size:14px;">There has been argument and controversy over this quote, but here I will prove Cell is in fact, Solar System level

Contents
[hide]#Part #1: All sources suggest Cell can destroy the Solar System
 * 1) Part #2: Debunking the claim that Cell was lying
 * 2) Part #3: Refuting that Cell has the power to do so from earlier sagas
 * 3) Part #4: Proving that it would be consistent with the Boo Saga
 * 4) Part #5: Debunking some other arguments
 * 5) Argument 1: “Cell said he would blow away the solar system. Not destroy it. So he cannot destroy the Solar System.”
 * 6) Argument 2: All of this is hyperbole
 * 7) Argument 3: Even if Cell can destroy the Solar System, it is an outlier
 * 8) Argument 4: Cell never destroyed the Solar System, therefore he is not Solar System level
 * 9) Argument 5: It is not consistent with the intent of Dragon Ball
 * 10) Argument 6: Cell does not know his own power
 * 11) Argument 7: Cell was trying to scare his opponents
 * 12) Argument 8: Nothing supports his statement
 * 13) Argument 9: How could he destroy something so large?
 * 14) Argument 10: But some wiki had a calculation proving Cell cannot bust the Solar System
 * 15) Argument 11: But he can only destroy islands
 * 16) Argument 11A: Chi Control is not real and was made by the fans to explain inconsistencies
 * 17) Source #1: The Daizenshuus
 * 18) Source #2: Akira Toriyama himself
 * 19) Arugment 11B: Whis retcons this by showing Goku and co does not have complete control of their chi
 * 20) Part #6: The plot demands it

Part #1: All sources suggest Cell can destroy the Solar System
<p style="font-size:14px;">First off, we have the Anime-Comics Guide

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<p style="font-size:14px;">1. This guidebook is affiliated with Daizenshuu, which has Boo as a corebuster

<p style="font-size:14px;">2. Daizenshuu is inconsistent

<p style="font-size:14px;">3. This guidebook overall is not reliable

<p style="font-size:14px;">These are all valid points, that is why the the main guidebook for the Manga exists also

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<p style="font-size:14px;">This guidebook was made specifically by Bird Studio’s, Akira Toriyama’s main studio that he made and supervised over

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<p style="font-size:14px;">That is a surface area of 108583269701301090 square miles

<p style="font-size:14px;">The Sun has a surface area of 6389565920000 square miles

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<p style="font-size:14px;">50 Septillion Megatons of TNT*16993.841375268429815338692053122 = 849.692069 Octillion Megatons of TNT

<p style="font-size:14px;">Which is solar system level, as the energy to destroy the Solar System normally is 535.372849 Octillion Megatons of TNT

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Part #2: Debunking the claim that Cell was lying
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<p style="font-size:14px;">But Cell does bluff and lie sometimes, to deny that is ridiculous, but why does he lie? Is he just a lying arrogant monster? Most likely not, he has only lied to get the androids and become perfect, this is stressed multiple times.

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<p style="font-size:14px;">He rarely, probably never lies just for no reason, he never bluffed for no reason. It was always to make him gain an advantage Cell more often than not underestimates his opponents, he is not an utterly overly arrogant character that overestimates himself. That is why he ended up losing to Gohan. He gives respect to his opponents when they deserve it, and mocks them with insults when not He does not care if the Earth destroyed it, the only reason it is still around is due to the potential of the Z fighters being a good fight for him

<p style="font-size:14px;">What would this all add to? He was not lying when he said he will destroy the solar system, as it is against his character for him to lie at that moment

Part #3: Refuting that Cell has the power to do so from earlier sagas
<p style="font-size:14px;">So he was not lying, but you could still say he meant he will destroy the Sun, as it would scale with Freeza being large planet level, and that maybe he was to destroy everything by a chain reaction, but Freeza is in fact star level. This calc shows why.

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<p style="font-size:14px;">Freeza was calculated to have a Supernova equaling 626.946 Sextillion Megatons of TNT, that is already dwarf star level+. This is in his first form, he is much stronger in his later forms. So much so that he would be small star level+ to possibly star level in his 100% form.

<p style="font-size:14px;">And to say Cell would only be star level would be insane. And since I proved it was against his character to lie during that moment and that he was either going to destroy the Sun or Solar System, he would have to be Solar System level.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Now people could deny this calculation in many ways

<p style="font-size:14px;">      1. People would say Freeza’s Supernova feat is an outlier

<p style="font-size:14px;">No no no, for one thing. This feat has appeared in every single media, it is Freeza’s most iconic scene. To say this is an outlier would hurt his character. And the whole plot of DBZ

<p style="font-size:14px;">      2. It is a calculation that defies Akira Toriyama’s intentions of Freeza being only large planet level

<p style="font-size:14px;">With this logic, Cell should be a Solar System buster, as all media intends him to be solar system level, do not use that logic. Plus, Akira Toriyama’s train of thought was that Freeza can eat planets as a small snack. Not that he is only planet level.

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<p style="font-size:14px;">So with only a 1.2654x power level gap, DBZ characters can go from city level to moon level. That is just one example

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<p style="font-size:14px;">626.946 Sextillion Megatons of TNT/53.4416826 Quadrillion Megatons of TNT = a 11,731,404.6x power disparity. And what is the power level gap between Vegeta and Freeza?

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<p style="font-size:14px;">So power levels are nonlinear, it can be easy to assume Cell, whose power level is probably in the high hundreds of millions to billions, could be solar system due to the power level gap.

Part #4: Proving that it would be consistent with the Boo Saga
<p style="font-size:14px;">So earlier feats point to Cell being solar system level, but the Boo Saga does have a pretty major anti-feat going on that people point at to prove Cell cannot destroy it

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<p style="font-size:14px;">Well, for one thing, this feat probably did have the intent that Boo was strong, but it was absolutely mostly about how Kid Boo was a loose cannon that does not charge his attacks, try to destroy with a chain reaction, or anything like that. He wants to see a big boom as fast as possible. Also, Goku was tired out by this point and did not want to exert himself, so he could not stop it.

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<p style="font-size:14px;">Lastly, more feats suggest a higher level than just merely planet level throughout the Boo Saga.

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<p style="font-size:14px;">''To avoid that Buu, a monster with the powers to destroy the universe, comes back to life. Kaio-Shin and Goku's group burst into Babidi's den. However. Dabura, king of the demon world, converted into subordinate by Babidi, petrifies Krillin and Piccolo. To save them, and although knowing it's a trap, Goku and the rest of the fighters enter Babidi's ship, where they will have to face all his minions. After beating them with ease, they reach Babidi, that affirms that Dabura will beat them all.''

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<p style="font-size:14px;">There is also the sub-canon feat from Dragon Ball Z Kai where Boo destroys a galaxy over time (Whose canonicity and consistency is debatable)

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<p style="font-size:14px;">Canon, inconsistent or not. That earth busting feat is stacked against a dozen universal statements, a feat where power is felt throughout the universe, a feat where Boo held back a universal Genki Dama, and a multi-solar system feat (Canonicity is debatable). So Cell’s statement holds water in the Boo Saga.

Part #5: Debunking some other arguments
<p style="font-size:14px;">There are other arguments being thrown around ===<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_1:_.E2.80.9CCell_said_he_would_blow_away_the_solar_system._Not_destroy_it._So_he_cannot_destroy_the_Solar_System..E2.80.9D" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 1: “Cell said he would blow away the solar system. Not destroy it. So he cannot destroy the Solar System.” === <p style="font-size:14px;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

<p style="font-size:14px;">To blow away the Solar System, or even just the Sun, would still require nearly solar system level amounts of energy. To move the Sun just 1 solar diameter away in one minute would equal only around ⅕ the energy needed to destroy the Solar System. Now, assuming that he really meant to blow away the Solar System. Blowing away the Sun 1/100th of an AU in a minute does not equal what he would be theoretically intending.

<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_2:_All_of_this_is_hyperbole" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 2: All of this is hyperbole
<p style="font-size:14px;">Let us look at the quote again

<p style="font-size:14px;">https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B73j4cBXUYRNNHZ6OVVpSHEzMzQ/view?usp=sharing

<p style="font-size:14px;">What is hyperbole?

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hyperbole

<p style="font-size:14px;">obvious and intentional exaggeration.

<p style="font-size:14px;">or

<p style="font-size:14px;">an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

<p style="font-size:14px;">If Cell’s statement was hyperbole, it would mean it was obviously hyperbole and was not to be taken seriously

<p style="font-size:14px;">He does not say “OOH I CAN DESTROY THE SOLAR SYSTEM I AM SO POWERFUL!”

<p style="font-size:14px;">First off, notice how all the letters are not capitalized. Implied he was not yelling this, and that he states he does not simply have the power to destroy Earth, he knows what he is saying, what he is saying is not hyperbole as he means it.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Plus, hyperbole is supposed to be not taken seriously, and if Cell's claim was hyperbole, then why does everyone make a serious "oh-no" reaction ===<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_3:_Even_if_Cell_can_destroy_the_Solar_System.2C_it_is_an_outlier" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 3: Even if Cell can destroy the Solar System, it is an outlier === <p style="font-size:14px;">Which I basically debunked the crap out of above in Part #3and Part #4, there are feats that imply anywhere from solar system to universal Boo Saga (I do not agree that Boo saga is universal, but it is the point) ===<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_4:_Cell_never_destroyed_the_Solar_System.2C_therefore_he_is_not_Solar_System_level" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 4: Cell never destroyed the Solar System, therefore he is not Solar System level === <p style="font-size:14px;">Umm… Have you ever heard something about I do not know, DRAGON BALL HAVING A PLOT??? If Gohan died, and the Solar System went boom. End of story. No more Dragon Ball, which haters of DBZ might like...

<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_5:_It_is_not_consistent_with_the_intent_of_Dragon_Ball" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 5: It is not consistent with the intent of Dragon Ball
<p style="font-size:14px;">So aliens, planet busting, FTL ships, universes being shaken, and egyptian cats being the gods of destruction makes sense. But an android wanting to destroy the Solar System does not?

<p style="font-size:14px;">And as shown, all sources intend on Cell being Solar System level

<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_6:_Cell_does_not_know_his_own_power" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 6: Cell does not know his own power
<p style="font-size:14px;">For the record, Cell is a biological supercomputer from the future, with the cells of Gohan, who is a genius, and Freeza, who has extensive space knowledge. He should know how to calculate the energy needed to destroy the Solar System

<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_7:_Cell_was_trying_to_scare_his_opponents" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 7: Cell was trying to scare his opponents
<p style="font-size:14px;">Maybe he was, but the Z-fighters have great chi detection. They can just sense his power when charging, see if it is enough, then just call BS on him. I have seen the claim that they did sense his chi, and were scared by star-busting power, but this is grasping for straws, plus Z-characters are large star level by this point.

<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_8:_Nothing_supports_his_statement" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 8: Nothing supports his statement
<p style="font-size:14px;">Except everything stated above, we have guidebooks, characters from later threatening to lifewipe the universe, and characters before already surpassing star level.

<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_9:_How_could_he_destroy_something_so_large.3F" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 9: How could he destroy something so large?
<p style="font-size:14px;">Simple, he launches the Kamehameha, the second it hits something. There is a big boom that quickly engulfs and vaporizes the Solar System ===<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_10:_But_some_wiki_had_a_calculation_proving_Cell_cannot_bust_the_Solar_System" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 10: But some wiki had a calculation proving Cell cannot bust the Solar System === <p style="font-size:14px;">You mean this?

<p style="font-size:14px;">Yeah thats been debunked, this calculation relies on the idea that Base Goku > Freeza from Beerus. For one thing, in the newer Dragon Ball Super, Beerus says "Goku looks weaker than Freeza." And for the record, this is from Akira Toriyama, who is the guy who proves time and time-again, that looks are deceiving. Plus, it was obvious Beerus wanted somewhat of a fight from Goku and so he riled him up.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Goku has trained for 7 year in other world, for 1 year in the Room of Spirit and Time, and for 3 years for the Androids. By this point, if he has not gotten 40x stronger, then that would be ridiculous.

<span class="mw-headline" id="Argument_11:_But_he_can_only_destroy_islands" style="font-weight:bold;">Argument 11: But he can only destroy islands
<p style="font-size:14px;">Now, at this point, usually only bigger downplayers mention something like this. But basically, Cell focuses his attack power over a specific range, all DBZ characters with competency of chi can do this. ====<span class="mw-headline" id=".C2.A0_.C2.A0_.C2.A0Argument_11A:_Chi_Control_is_not_real_and_was_made_by_the_fans_to_explain_inconsistencies" style="font-weight:bold;">     Argument 11A: Chi Control is not real and was made by the fans to explain inconsistencies ==== <p style="font-size:14px;">Chi control has been blatantly hammered out by not one, but two sources.

<span class="mw-headline" id="Source_.231:_The_Daizenshuus" style="font-weight:bold;">Source #1: The Daizenshuus
<p style="font-size:14px;">The description for the Big Bang Attack says the following

<p style="font-size:14px;">Big Bang Attack First Appearance: Chapter 344 Category: ki manipulation People: Vegeta Special Characteristics: A ki wave which Vegeta fired at Artificial Human No.19. This technique, which easily destroyed Artificial Human No.19, could be said to be Super Saiya-jin Vegeta's version of the Gyarik-Ho. However, the differences between it and the Gyarik-Ho are the way of firing it and the shape of the ki. First, '''he sticks one hand out in front, then emits a ki blast from the palm of that hand. This ki is condensed down into one big lump and can deal heavy damage inside one specific range''', in contrast with the Gyarik-Ho, which attacks a wide range. After the Big Bang Attack was fired, the ground was wiped out from the spot where Artificial Human No.19 was and onward, as if it had been hollowed out. This effectiveness made it Vegeta's strongest attack at the time. (Daizenshuu 2, p.213/Daizenshuu 4, p.111)

<span class="mw-headline" id="Source_.232:_Akira_Toriyama_himself" style="font-weight:bold;">Source #2: Akira Toriyama himself
<p style="font-size:14px;">Yep, Akira Toriyama in person has stated characters win battles by learning to focus and control their chi size

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/seg-story-volume-truth-about-dragon-ball/ ====<span class="mw-headline" id=".C2.A0_.C2.A0_.C2.A0Arugment_11B:_Whis_retcons_this_by_showing_Goku_and_co_does_not_have_complete_control_of_their_chi" style="font-weight:bold;">     Arugment 11B: Whis retcons this by showing Goku and co does not have complete control of their chi ==== <p style="font-size:14px;">And? This means what? Just because Goku and Vegeta did not have pinpoint accurate chi control at that time does not mean they could not focus the size of their attacks.

<p style="font-size:14px;">Furthermore, if you do not accept this. Then you would have to accept the idea of split durability between not just blasts and punches, but between different types of blasts also. Which just utterly complicates what Akira Toriyama intends to be a simple story. Which leads me to the last part

Part #6: The plot demands it
<p style="font-size:14px;"> And lastly, here is the true reason Cell is a Solar System buster. No feats, no calculations, just one major point. What was the Cell Saga about? It was about Gohan surpassing his father and being the hero in the end of the day. Cell was this unstoppable menace that now had the power to destroy the Solar System, he does not have Goku to really help him. He does not have the Z-fighters to help. He himself has to man up and take the challenge and win. Now, if this whole premise revolved around a big lie, or hyperbole, or misinterpretation, that would really ruin the theme of the entire saga, and just make Gohan and Cell look like an utter joke.

<p style="font-size:14px;">So all-in-all, Cell can destroy the Solar System

<p style="font-size:14px;">http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:FanofRPGs/Cell_is_100%25_absolutely_positively_4-B_refutation_blog#Argument_11:_But_he_can_only_destroy_islands