Thread:Maverick Zero X/@comment-32286613-20170913143057/@comment-32286613-20170913193529

Thatsonicguy108 wrote:

1. "Why is Super Sonic Tier 2 if he literally ONLY has Tier 5 feats?"
I have no idea why Super Sonic needed to be brought into a discussion regarding's Mario's power.

But to answer your question, Super Sonic doesn't "only have Tier 5 feats".

The Tier 5 stuff is strictly Eggman's machinery.

The power of each Chaos Emeralds are described as being able to “transform thoughts into power by "sensing" people's thoughts ( most notably positive ones ). Seeing as most  machines in the Sonic series have simplistic mindsets (or none at all), it is likely that can't fully use the Chaos Emeralds to their greatest extent.A laser cannon (such as the  Eclipse Cannon, Chaos Energy Cannon, or Final Egg Blaser ) is a mindless machine with zero thought process and simplistic goals (shoot and destroy).It cannot "turn thoughts into power" as they do not possess minds in the first place.

In summary, a machine harnessing the power of the Chaos Emeralds =/= A being harnessing the power of the Chaos Emealds

2. Mario's "feats"
There's a lot here but I'll adress everything.

Tier 2:

1. There's no proof that  Chackron literally embodies the unverse.

2. Dark Bowser having infinite power isn't supported by anything.

 Tier 3:  

 1.   Mario defeating the Grand Star empowered Bowser is an Inconsistency .Mario has consistently shown to be to be around base Bowser's level so stomping an amped Bowser to the point of  fatigue is highly inconsistent with the other showings of the Verse.Also, while Throwback Galaxy and Whoomp's fortress are identical, they're two separate locations.

2.  Conquering the universe over time =/= Destroying it

3. It's highly possible that the realm Paper Mario "created" is merely aesthetic and even if it isn't there's no proof that universe-sized.

4. Bowser's Black hole in MP8 being galaxy sized is rather unsupported.

Tier 1:

"String Threoy Soup" proves utterly nothing.I feel like basing the entire cosmology of the whole series and upgrading it by several orders of infinity upon the name of a random collectable in an obscure handheld Wario game is... dumb.

Also, why did you bring up Archie Comics? They're utterly unrelated to the topic at hand.

..I'm sorry to say this, but your points need to be..studied

About Super Sonic's tier 5:

No. Hell, most of the tier 5 feats are done by Sonic himself:

the super forms are a casual planet busters, as stated in the diary of Eggman's grandfather

Super Sonic defeated Dark Gaia

Super Sonic defeating (with the help of Tails and Knucles) Metal Overold

Egg Wizard low-end (Large Planet level (was going to destroy both Sonic's planet and Blaze's planet) )

Super Sonic defeating Perfect Chaos

Super Sonic defeating Finalhazard

Possibly 1 more feat but im unsure about this feat now anyway

So, let's see. I'm going to make a list about Super Sonic's tier using your advice, since you said that a machine has no emotions and so we can't scale Sonic to that machine

Super Sonic. Tier 5 feats (by himself): 6, Super Sonic Super Sonic's tier 2 feats (by himself): 3, Super Sonic's tier 4 feats: 1 (Defeating the evil guy in dark brotherhood. In the wiki i have seen that he is a "cosmic" being that can manipulate stars and celestial objects)

So lol, Super Sonic is Large Planet level. (I believe in tier 2 Super Sonic, because Large Planet level Sonic is a downplay, just like 4-A is for Mario (my opinion) )

About Mario's feats. BTW, you don't have to say this like that : "feats", Mario has fa more tier 2 feats than Sonic anyway, and the argument inconsitency isn't a good one for Mario, since Myamoto stated that the characters are like a group of actors that can change the roles, so this is why Mario CAN beat Grand Star Bowser, why Toad isn't useless anymore, and why Peach ranges from a featless damsel to a badass girl that can kick Bowser's ass to death

So, after the inconsistency explanation, here i come

Mario's feats

1. http://character-stats-and-profiles.wikia.com/wiki/Chakron_(Canon)/Metal_Mario875 This wil explain why Chakron is Universe+

2. Chakron was scared of Dark Bowser's power, aka automatically Universe+ Dark Bowser

Mario's tier 3 feats

1. Inconsistency debunked. And anyway, via this logic, Super Sonic would never be Universe level+, since Super Sonic nearly died after the fight against Dark Gaia, yet he stomped Time eater. Lol, a lot of inconsistence we have here. And? They are still identical in everything, so we can assume that they are identical in size as well

2. I never said over time. Conquering the universe=Destroying it

3. Well, except that we can see many nebulas clouds (galaxies basically. Metal has the links of Nebula Clouds=Galaxies), trails of stars, constellations, and etc. Yeah, the realm is Multi-Galaxy in size. Also, Paper Mario literally reality warped the main universe creating his own realm, so we can say that he used reality warping in order to alter the universe and create his own realm. The feat is still valid

4. Well, ask Metal, he has a lot of proof about it, plus, he is a math genius,and he said that the black hole is probably galaxy sized because of his immense knowledge over math.

String Theory Soup

Well, i expected this kind of reply. Don't want to offend anyone who thinks that like you, especially since when i was a naive butthurt i also had the same opinion, but this logic is really illogical honestly. Never judge a book by its cover. Instead of repeat again why STS is canon, i will send you a link where i made a comment explaining everything about it.

http://deathbattlefanon.wikia.com/wiki/Mario-verse_VS_Sonic-verse#WikiaArticleComments

Also, about the Archie Sonic, i mentione it because it's the same thing as paper mario. Archie Sonic is High 1-C just because of the Dimensional Matrix statement, which is even worse than String Theory Soup anyway.

P.S. Even if we don't count STS, Paper Mario is still Low 1-C with Pure hearts, since the Star Road is high 2-A, and Super Dimentio is infinetely superior to it.

P.P.S Mario has another tier 2 feat from Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle

Important Note:Like the comment before,  I know that i sounded a bit confident and arrogant, again, it wasn't really my intention. I'm not angry, i'm not mad. I just wanted to say my opinion