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Welp, screw it. I'll manage with what I've got, since I've apparently only just been notified I can debate on VS Threads. OvO

Muhammedmco wrote: Can Gogeta negate All Fiction? In addition to this, Medaka is immune to power erasure, and as such, non of the hax listed above would allow Gogeta to win, and if anything, Medaka can outright erase all of his powers and abilities by turning them into "Fiction".

Turning them into "Fiction"? Sounds like something along the lines of Plot Manipulation and Immunity to Power Erasure/Negation/Nullification we're mainly dealing with. Either way, looking into Medaka's powers and abilities list, my reply doesn't change. Gogeta has a counter to all of those:

A) Gogeta resists stuff like Reality Warping, Void Manipulation, Durability Negation, Attack Reflection, Plot Manipulation, Power Nullification/Erasure, Resistance and Immunity Negation/Bypassing, among a ton of other stuff. Medaka doesn't seem to have any way of bypassing those.

B) Gogeta can bypass/negate resistances and immunities to whatever ability he has, so Medaka doesn't really have much defenses against him. As such, he can utilize stuff like Power Mimicry, Fate Manipulation (It actually does work against those who're immune to it, those who transcend causality, as well as other 1-As. It's essentially him being able to alter everything that's happening throughout the battle, or - in other words - his and his opponent's fate, to his own advantage), Info Analysis, Precognition, the Hakai, Summoning (more on it later), or the Mafuba/Divine Mafuba.

Muhammedmco wrote: All Fiction was stated to be far stronger than Book Maker, which was the technique Kumagawa used to seal away Ajimu, who can transcend infinity itself, which makes this technique (All Fiction) completely out of anything. I forgot to add that to the Tier list on both Medaka and Kumagawa's profiles. Sorry.

It's ok. But anyway... Yeah, hence why these guys and even Gogeta are Outerverse level...? And in case you're arguing for any sealing that may be used on Gogeta here, his fate hax counters that.

Muhammedmco wrote: Again. I repeat: Goku CAN'T erase Medaka's abilities, as Medaka contended against Illihiko, who had an ability called Irreversible Destruction, which would outright erase the powers and abilities of someone, as well as any kind of damage that would be dealt would not be healed, and said damage was on conceptual level as well for crying out loud.

Gogeta doesn't really need to erase her abilities, even though he can. As long as he resists their deadly factors, he tanks them and proceeds to use the Hakai (effectively negating up to True-Godly Regeneration and various immortality types), seals, BFRs, or incapacitates. He actually typically leads with the Hakai or the sealing. Furthermore, he can also summon Super Shenron and grant himself a wish, which can be whatever he wants or needs in the fight. Since he can bypass immunities/resistances, including those to Power Erasure/Null, he can simply wish for Medaka's powers to be erased. Or if you wanna argue that this is outside interference or Medaka can fork Shenron over, Gogeta can easily utilize his powers as a power-up of his own and do the deed himself.

Muhammedmco wrote: And Medaka managed to undo it upon using All Fiction (Which is the only ability that cannot be erased), and once Medaka used it, she turned all her injuries and the erasure of all her abilities into "Fiction", allowing her to regain her powers and abilities once again.

Provided Gogeta can negate/bypass the fact that All Fiction is immune to power erasure through various means and even passively, All Fiction gets erased/nulled by either Gogeta himself or Super Shenron.

Muhammedmco wrote: Also, everyone propaply forgot this, but Medaka's true ability is called The End, which allows her to copy powers and abilities of something or someone by merely gazing on them, and she can use it up to 120% of its true potential, as well as use it better than the true wielder of said ability.

Fate Manipulation is again a counter to this, as he can lolfate the ability to fail. Gogeta has precognition (and also power mimicry of his own) which would not only inform him of Medaka's abilities but also grant them to him. Before any power mimicking occurs at all, though, the fact that Gogeta is the one who has said precognition by default also helps and gives him the upper hand in terms of taking action first-hand, allowing him to pull of his aforementioned win conditions. He also has the ability to freeze space and time, which he can enforce on 1-A beings like practically anyone he faces in Dragon Ball Heroes, and also bypasses resistances/immunities as previously mentioned. So another way he could go about things is use the latter ability, then Hakai, seal, etc. Or better yet, he incapacitates Medaka with the space-time freeze and calls it a day.

Now, I'm aware that Medaka has precognition herself. However, that's useless against a Type 5 Acausal like Gogeta. I'm also aware that Medaka can negate Precognition. However, Gogeta resists power nullification/negation.