User blog comment:Paleomario66/Mario's Higher-End feats: Outliers or not?/@comment-33067344-20180809224134

Okay, allow me to summarize this blog and provide my stance in this situation.

Mario scalling to Bowser's forms
>"Some people argue that since Mario is usually portrayed as comparable to (and sometimes even struggles against) base Bowser, him scaling to Grand Star and Dreamy Bowser would be illogical. However, Mario also pretty consistently fights amped versions of Bowser, such as the Sticker Crown Bowser, Star Rod Bowser, Black Bowser, Shrowser, Bowletta, Dreamy Bowser, ShinyRobo Bowser, Bowser with that big Power Star at the end of SM64, and he usually fights Bowser after just enduring a full adventure, and he also fights opponents often that stomped Bowser, that one boss in Superstar Saga that wanted a hundred coins from you, and he also gets defeated by Mario in TTYD after he just fought two fights in the Glitz Pit and another time after Mario just fought Grodus and was also sided with Kammy Koopa, the list of why Mario is usually portrayed as far superior to Bowser goes on. All of these show that Mario scaling to the amped forms of Bowser is by no means illogical."

I'm afraid this is not an argument. You're once again scalling to Bowser's forms, not proving why scalling is moot. Look at consistency; Mario sometimes has to use amps to harm Bowser, scalling base Mario to an amped Bowser is by no means concrete. Oh, and that one guy from SuperStar Saga didn't stomp Bowser; they just captured him while Bowser was damaged. Look at consistency here.

btw, black bowser, shrowser and bowletta are not amped forms

>"As shown above, Mario can defeat the various amped forms of Bowser, so him scaling to Bowser's feat of threatening the Dream Depot is far from an outlier."

Not correct. Bowser needed amps to reach lower levels; how's a Multiversal feat—which massively dwarfs feats he does with amps—not an outlier?

Botomless Pits
>"Second, "hyperbole." It doesn't make sense for it to be one, really. Underworlds are quite often of actual infinite-size, so it doesn't seem off for this one to be like that as well."

Okay, firstly; providing a valid example of an underworld being infinite would be appreciated greatly. Secondly, it is Bowser's own underworld—not the actual Underworld.' Therefore, this statement should be left as an hyperbole.

Scalling
>"With that said, Mario is so powerful in this game, he seen the gap of Ludwig and the other six Koopalings as tiny, even though Ludwig states clearly that he has the power of all the previous Koopalings, and is the ultimate Koopaling. Combining all the worlds for the Koopalings into Ludwig's power would make him 77 universes, since all the Koopalings have complete control over the worlds they're in. And since Mario sees that as a tiny gap, it should mean he's at least 10x stronger, making him and Bowser able to destroy 770 universes."

Normal multiplications cannot be applied to something beyond infinity, i'm afraid. Like, there's nothing to multiply there; infinity*infinity is still Infinity by 3rd dimensional standards.

With this, I think I've made my stand clear. Mario scalling to Bowser's forms is not correct, and a few of the Tier 2 feats are flawed because of this.