Thread:CSaPForumWall/@comment-30294856-20170922233043/@comment-26374068-20170923012422

Well, let's start with sheer power. Beerus is a lot more powerful than Blue Goku, and has a statement of destroying two universes, and Solaris is massively stronger than Time Eater... the problem is that Tabuu embodies a realm that dwarfs dozens of universes in size. Tabuu is definitely stronger.

Next, hax. Beerus has more, that's for sure. But who's is most useful?

Beerus' best stuff is Existence Erasure, Transmutation and Sealing. Tabuu's is Creation, Destruction, Space-Time Slicing, Reality Warping, Mind Control and One Hit Kill. Solaris' is Time Paradoxal Resistance, Limited History Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Reality Warping, Void Manipulation and Time Destruction.

Beerus' is useful, as he can erase them from existence, or seal them away, but he might struggle in doing anything. His transmutation worked on an egg, so I don't really know if he can do so to a skyscraper (Solaris) or a literal compressed universe (Tabuu). His existence erasure is at extreme minoot ranges, and his sealing, again, might not work due to extreme sizes. But it might, so that leaves Beerus with a possible existence erasure should he manage to get close and sealing.

Tabuu's Off Waves are honestly extremely useful here. They are extremely fast, even faster than Tabuu himself, and fly out omni-directionally. Finally, because he already held the A.P. advantage, he they would undoubtedly one-shot Beerus and Solaris should they connect. In this case, Beerus is at a much better advantage than Solaris thanks to small size. Tabuu mind controlled Master Hand, who is rather large, so doing so to Solaris should not be hard. Beerus, on the other hand, would be difficult. Tabuu's Space-Time Slicing and Creation as well as Destruction combos, though, will get even Beerus.

Solaris is left with his only useful and unique power being Limited History Manipulation. Collapsing time might be useful, but Tabuu can exist outside of the universes. Beerus might have a problem, but it takes time to collapse time, so Beerus isn't automatically out. With his Limited History Manipulation, though, both Tabuu and Beerus are in trouble. Because one Solaris exists in a single point of the past and future as well as present, Solaris can alter things 50 years into the past and future. While Beerus and Tabuu were both undoubtedly around even then, Solaris can still alter things that would cause severe loopholes. For example, he could attack Tabuu before Subspace enveloped universes, or destroy Beerus during his nap. The problem is Solaris has no knowledge on either of them, and they're presumably in a neutral universe, so doing that is pointless.

So... who wins? Tabuu has the most power and the most useful hax, so he definitely wins this. If he mind controls Solaris, then he can team up to destroy Beerus, and his Off Waves and Space-Time Slices will catch both of his adversaries by surprise. While Beerus and Solaris both have decent hax, Tabuu either: one, has it himself, or two, can avoid/counter it in some way. For example, Beerus' Hakai is limited to such intense range constraints that it'll be difficult to actually hit Solaris or Tabuu. And since both Solaris and Tabuu have insane ranged attacks, they can hold Beerus off. Overall, Beerus is likely to go down first, unless he manages to land some of his hax on Solaris, since if we compare him to Sidra, his Hakai can potentially reach far away and destroy things as large as cities. But I dunno if he can destroy something as big as Tabuu.

Assuming Beerus loses or Beerus wins against Solaris, then Tabuu's hax and power will sill overwhelm either one. I vote Tabuu.