He should be straight-up 4-A, and that's all. Black Jewel was the one that created and held this realm together, thus, his attack potency and durability are already Multi-Solar System. Wario powerscales to him.
I hope sammyclassicsonicfan doesn't get an account on here. Who knows what he'll comment on our characters profiles and on our walls.
I also have some questions that need answers...:
Also how does Culex having great control over time and space justify him having Infinite speed?
If his speed does get upgraded then Solaris and other tier 2 characters would have Infinite speed for doing the same thing.
Solaris fought the 3 Super State users in a void in case you're wondering. The Dark Blue background in the final boss fight proves it.
Also Antasma(Dark Stone), Zeekeeper and Dreamy Bowser would get Infinite speed for doing the exact same thing as well if Culex's speed was to get upgraded for being Low 2-C.
Also there are problems with super form tiers which I just thought about. Perfect Chaos was powered by the Chaos Emeralds which are a planet destroying source, if we upgrade the Super forms to Low 2-C then Perfect Chaos being Low 2-C is ridiculous since he has been shown to destroy a Large Planet if Sonic didn't stop him. I am unsure about upgrading the Super forms to Low 2-C.
Right? Sammy would be a nightmare to deal with. And unless he breaks one of our rules, we can't block him... But anyway, onto your questions.
1. Because he's the Master of Time and Space, was seemingly fought within a timeless void, and was also stated to hold time itself, have the power over creation, and even be capable of consuming time--kinda like the Time Eater. Honestly, I believe Culex has more going for him when it comes to Infinite speed than most others do. And while I agree with Solaris having Infinite speed, I don't agree with Dreamy Bowser, Zeekeeper and Antasma having it. Their cases are far different than Culex's.
2. The Chaos Emeralds don't power all things the same way. For example, machinery seems to only be planet-busting, with the occasional Multi-Solar System busting, and that's it. I think the Chaos Emeralds powered Chaos differently than it powered the Super forms. I think Low 2-C should stay.
Can you confirm that this is a timeless void in which Culex fought in?
If I am not mistaken, you used to say in the Mario verse VS Sonic verse debates we had that Culex in Japanese translation is more powerful than his english version. Can you also bring up his Japanese statements?
Also since Mario and the others fighting Culex are outliers then Culex speed should be infinite if they fought against him in a void.
2: In that case. We need separate keys for the Chaos Emeralds:
Key: Earth Creatures (Perfect Chaos for example) | Eggman's machines | Super Forms
So Chaos Emeralds shall be: 5-A | At least 5-A to 4-A | Low 2-C
Yeah, we can do that too, lol. But only after we explain why they're wrong about it. You always want them to understand why.
1. He apparently "crossed dimensions," and he's in between crossing points during that battle. Thus, during that fight, they're outside the time-space continuum. Yeah, Culex should have Infinite speed. I need to fix my profile too.
2. Yes, I agree. Though, only on the Chaos Emeralds' page, not on Sonic's page. You know? Mainly because it wouldn't apply to him.
Correct. I also made threads requesting upgrades and downgrades and other admins explained to me why they accept or reject those requests with logic and facts.
1. In that case, they were inside a building but hey video game logic can replace real world logic with universe rules of their own. Alright. Since Solaris and Time Eater have Infinite Speed then Culex should get Infinite speed too.
2. I am going to upgrade Sonic's and the others Super Forms to Low 2-C. Any enemies that Super Sonic fought which was 5-A to 4-A are now considered low end outliers.
From how it looks. I can see Low 2-C Culex would most likely beat the Time Eater. All he has to do is destroy Classic and Modern Eggman but first we must question Time Eater's intelligence. His speed remains Infinite whether Time Eater scattered Sonic's friends on his own or was secretly controlled by 1 or 2 Eggmans.
But, Eggman said he'd had it fling Sonic's friends across time and space. What he means by that--at least to me--is that he was either secretly controlling it, or he'd somehow forced the Time Eater to do that himself.
In either case, it needed Eggman, so I think it's intelligence disadvantage would be its downfall.
So it's safer to assume that Time Eater was either mind controlled by 2 Eggmans or remotely controlled by either Eggmans remote control.
All Culex has to do is destory 2 Eggmans assuming Japanese Culex was used.
How I see it:
Japanese Culex > Time Eater > English Culex
No offense and no racism intended.
Also can you do some revisions on Bowser Jr's profiles especially Shadow Mario. I think Shadow Mario's tiers are too low...and please add reasonings for their upgrades and their feats.
Before you go to sleep one more thing about Metal Sonic.
Metal Overlord fought Super Sonic, Super Tails and Super Knuckles who are now Low 2-C. The fight happened in Sonic Heroes. Do you think that fight is an outlier considering the fact that Metal Overlord is a machine who can copy abilities?
I can agree, though I personally see it as follows (Also, to avoid any unintended racism, we can use Culex's Japanese name to represent his Japanese version):
Crystaller > Time Eater = Culex
Yeah, I can revise and edit Shadow Mario. Though, first, do you believe that the Cosmic Clones are the same as Shadow Mario? If not, his stats, for the most part, are good, but I can still go over it with a fine-tooth comb.
Yeah, I think it's a high-end outlier for Metal Sonic. A possible explanation would be him copying abilities, thus, he was using their own abilities against them. Though, it's hard to say where exactly to place him. Obviously, Low 2-C is too high, while 5-A is far too low. We could make him "At least 4-A" due to him being the pinnacle of Eggman's machinery, making him superior to the Final Egg Blaster.
Does "At least 4-A" for Metal Overlord sound okay to you?
Are you also talking about the Cosmic clones that follow Mario/Luigi then try to kill him by running into him?
I don't know how cosmic clones = Shadow Mario = Bowser Jr?
I appreciate the explaination for that as well.
I now agree with Metal Overlord being put "At least 4-A" since he is the strongest machine character it took 3 Super characters to defeat him. I don't know if it took 1 or 2 Super state users to defeate Final Egg Blaster but either way Metal Overlord > Final Egg Blaster.
I love having logical converations. It makes an introvert like me feel so much better and happier.
It means that Crystaller (Culex's Japanese version) is greater than Time Eater, who is equal to Culex (The English version).
Not so much as the Cosmic Clones from 3D Land, but the one from Super Mario Galaxy--Cosmic Mario. He acts just like him, sounds just like him, and has the same theme as him. The only difference is looks, and that can be explained due to Shadow Mario being a magical creation in the first place.
Yeah, it seems easier as that's the most logical conclusion we can get to without absurd low-ends or high-ends.
I'm just happy to help others. If our conversations help you, then that makes me feel better too. :D
Anytime you wanna talk, just let me know. I gotta go though, so I'll talk tomorrow. Adios, bro.
I'm going out of town here soon, so I won't be back on for a little while. But, I thought I'd respond, tell you that and advance the conversation a little.
I'm glad you agree too.
I think Cosmic Clones scale to Mario's low-ends due to being clones of him. Cosmic Mario scales to his high-ends due to contending with Galaxy Mario. And because that was Cosmic Mario's only appearance, it actually works for him.
I agree with Devil Doom scaling, mostly due to him assisting with the creation of Shadow. So, it makes sense he would have a bit of power like his creation, since his DNA was used. I do think the Biolizard should only get straight-up “4-A” though, not “At least 4-A” like Metal Overlord.
I would rate Megahammer as Low 2-C. Mainly due to that machine being powered by a Grand Star, which is superior to Power Stars and powered a generator that destroyed the fabrications of the universe in the original Super Mario Galaxy. But perhaps the variable tier “3-C to Low 2-C” is best.
Yeah, it's his strongest machine, outside of the Paint Brush, which is arguably equal.
However I am unsure about the Lumas tiers. Kevyn Souza told me to change the Lumas tiers according to what they can transform into.
Possibly the Luma that assisted Mario in SMG 1 and 2 is the strongest Luma there is. That type of Luma will only get rated at 3-C to Low 2-C while the rest of the Lumas keep their tiers.
Also about the Paintbrush. What tier should it get rated at exactly? This is also for the sake of avoiding no limits fallacy.
I'm gonna upgrade the Super forms to Low 2-C since chaos emeralds grant most of their powers if not all to the Super Forms. Machines and creatures like Perfect Chaos aren't strong and smart enough to take advantage of their unlimited powers
While I don't mind you locking your profiles, I'd appreciate it if you stopped locking the disambiguation pages. You're preventing it's function, allowing others to list their profiles, by doing so. The disambiguation pages must not be locked; renember, non-admins can not edit locked pages.
BTW I am editing and replacing my Mario Bros (Canon) and Sonic the Hedgehog (Canon, The Universe) characters pictures with gifs.
You should do the same sometime when you get the chance. If you want, you can copy my Amy and Silver gifs that I just added there and add it to your Sonic the Hedgehog (Canon, The Universe) characters profiles if you want.